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#1 ·
After years of reading on performance upgrades and talking with many mechanics and all round gear heads, I finally purchased an Edelbrock performer intake and Holly 650 truck avenger carb for my stock 85 RC that has a stock 318 and had the single barrel carb.  I was convinced that this was a great upgrade and that I would feel a big difference in power.  Well it was installed last week along with a full tune up, cap, rotor, wires plugs, & fuel pump.

I must say, I do not feel much difference if any, and in fact i think it's running worse that before.  While on the highway, I hit the go pedal and it doesn't downshift anymore.  It will pick up speed, but it won't downshift into passing gear like before.  It is sucking gas like crazy, but I wasn't worried about that since I was expecting to "feel the power".

Is there something I'm missing?  Was there something else I need to change?  I'm honestly very disappointed.  I would honestly appreciate your thoughts as to what might be the problem?  Your help is greatly appreciated!
 
#2 ·
With a 650CFM carb, probably jetted too big for your 318, which likely has a ton of miles on it.  Just swapping a carb on a stock 318 will not net you much 'seat of the pants' power. 
Did you change out the kickdown linkage for the trans when you changed the carb?  4bbl uses a different linkage and if not adjusted properly, will cook your trans in little time.

If you wanted more seat of the pants power, should have started with axle gears instead.
 
#3 ·
did you hook the kick down linkage up? the reason you may not notice much of a power difference is because you got a carb that is way too big especially for a stock engine. something in the 400cfm area would have been way better for a truck 318.
 
#4 ·
To be honest I did not do the work, I had a shop do the install, I will have to find out about the linkage.  Is there a way to adjust it or is there an aftermarket setup i have to get?  In researching on Summit, Holley, and other websites everything pointed to the 650, that's why I went with it.  On the Holley website the 450 is for 4 or 6 cylinders, so i never even considered it.

As far as the gears, that's the next upgrade, but I also want to install the lockers front and back along with the 4x4 posi-lock for the front, but parts alone are over a grand, and that's not including the install $$ so that's in the works, hopefully by the end of the year.

Thanks again for any additional thoughts!
 
#5 ·
when I got my holly truck avenger it was jetted for sea level and I was in colorado way to much fuel for there after putting in smaller jets it had power and mileage 17.5 mpg in a 74 360 trailduster to be exact
 
#6 ·
In doing a quick search online I found bouchillonperformance has a Kickdown cable kit.  I think i'll look into that.

Is the carb really too big?  Can I change to the smaller jets, will that do anything?

In building this thing I've been very picky as to what gets changed or installed and I thought I was doing the right thing to make this an all around well performing truck.  I'm realistic, and I didn't think this was going to turn into a race vehicle or anything.  I just wanted to swap it out maily because of the stalling I was having when climbing, the benefit of a little added performance was just a bonus.  Now I feel like it won't make it climbing the smallest of hills. 
 
#10 ·
For the kickdown, you can search the junkyards for a small block 4 bbl kickdown linkage and throttle cable bracket, the shop could have modified the one you have (it's possible with some cutting/fabbing) or go with an aftermarket cable like Lokar. 
A search on this site for Lokar should turn up some threads and pictures of other folks on here that have one of the Lokar cables.
 
#11 ·
Thanks guys for all the feedback.  Looks like I'll be doing more work to this thing.  Real bummer, I was looking forward to a trail run next month, but I'll need to come up with some cash to get the Holley 470 first.  Anyone interested in a  gently used 670?  HAHAHA!
 
#12 ·
Also agree the carb is too big, further, by choosing the T/A carb, you will gain off-road ability but you will lose on-road ability. T/A's lack high speed air bleeds which make it run poorly at a moderate to high cruise speed.

Another commonly overlooked thing is an adapter for running a squarebore carb on a spreadbore manifold. If you don't have one, you could have an air leak. Edelbrock sells a simple one for about $12.
 
#13 ·
The carb wasn't a single barrel. It was a 2 barrel.

Aftermarket carbs aren't ever set right for a mostly stock MoPar engine. It's going to need to be adjusted no matter what it is. Too big/too small is going to show an extremely small portion of the time, since it isn't outlandish you can make it work. Poor adjustment is going to be a problem all the time though, no matter what size it is.

What'd you do for a kickdown?

A Holley carb shouldn't need an adapter for a Performer. I usually don't run them- and use vacuum accessories on everything.

For a true dual purpose vehicle, close to that 600 range isn't a bad place to be on a 318. 650's the wrong side of that for a heavy trail rig, but if you get it running better to where it won't stall where your old carb did and has better power down the road, that'd be a good place to be. It's what you've got so it's worth trying.