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1990 Dodge Ramcharger 360 running rich

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#1 ·
I have completed the swap over of the 318 to 360 on my 1990 RamCharger a couple months ago. Used the 360 HD computer, throwing no engine codes. I reused the EFI that came on the donor 360. Drivability was not good, replaced the EFI injectors, runs good and smooth. Just changed the oil at 500 miles and did compression and leakdown test. 145 pound +/- 3 pounds in each cylinder. Timing is set at factor 10 digress, stock OEM cam in it. I removed the air pump and the cat convertor, running a new 2 1/4 single exhaust all the way back. It has a new O2 sensor in it. Vacuum is steady, no obvious vacuum leaks.

The problem is it runs rich, smells rich at idle, milage not great. I realize the 360's were not good on gas, but the plugs, although not fouled, looked pretty black for 500 miles.

Any thought on it running rich? Could the TBI be messed up, sensors? As far down the road as I am on this, I am contemplating throwing a reman EFI on it, but I don't like throwing money at this without knowing what the problem is.

Any ideas?
 
#3 ·
IF the injectors spray properly , their o ring seals are not leaking , or the body has no cracks leaking fuel then the efi is responding TO the inputs from the sensors , mass air flow , t/b temp sensor , or o-2 sensor . use the blink code retrieval method and a YEAR CORRECT code list and see if the pcm will "tell" you whats wrong . a bad engine thermostat allowing it to run TOO cold can have an effect as well ... pcm may tell you that in blink codes , may ....
 
#4 ·
I changed the injectors because of a bad spray pattern/leaking o-rings and running rough. The TBI had crud in it I took it apart, and cleaned it, and put new gaskets and injectors in it. The pattern is spraying, no big drips now, but it does not look like a fine spray./mist at idle. It has a new fuel pump and filter, but I will check the pressure. What should the pressure be at the TBI? I will check the temp when it's warmed up, I put in a 195 degree thermostat when I put it together. The temp gauge shows it running about 1/3 of the way up from cold, but these gauges are notoriously inaccurate. I will check with a real gauge in the radiator when it is warmed up.
 
#6 ·
15 psi +/- 1 I think. Do the code sequence check. It can have a stored code without a check engine light. No sure if you meant no you had light or if you did an active check.
 
#7 ·
agreed and yes 14 plus psi fuel pressure for a throttle body ( 2 injectors ) if the fuel pressure is around 14 -15 then check the mentioned sensors . pull codes . key on /off on/ off on watch count flashing dash .
 
#8 ·
Pulling the air pump and catalytic wass a bad idea. There is no point to removing the catalytic converter omn a fuel injected vehicle. All that will do is make the truck pollute more.

Removing the smog pump is also a bad idea. It has zero negative effect on the engine and, in fact, helps clean up the air and make the catalytic converter last longer. Also, and probably part of your problem, the air pump injects air into your exhaust stream. The computer takes the fresh air injected by the air pump into consideration in determining the fuel mixture. If the air pump is removed the mixture will be off.

Could be the EFI computer has croaked. It is 31 years old, after all.
 
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#9 ·
can agree with this. I removed my cat, just to be an obnoxious dick since my RC is my fun vehicle and the smell is a bit strong. I did it knowing the outcome.
 
#11 ·
I checked for codes, there are none stored. As for the cat and air pump, it was off when the 318 was in, and didn't make any difference, and it was not running rich. I will check the fuel pressure this weekend and look at the sensors.
 
#17 ·
Fuel pressure was 14-15 pounds, pump and regulator seems to be working ok. The water temp read 185 degrees measured with a mechanical gauge measured at the top of the radiator, it did not vary at all. I don't think there are any vacuum leaks, vacuum heal a very steady 17 pounds at idle hot. I did a compression and leakdown test on it, 300 miles since rebuld, 135-140 per cylinder hot, leakdown was 2-3 pounds across all cylinders at 100 pounds test. The only thing that I found was the water temp sensor seems to have one prong, I believe the black lead which is ground, and I had a hard time getting a reading from the other prong. Is this the source for the temp gauge on the dash? It think it is reading low. The needle used to sit just left of straight up, and it is reading just past the second line on the left. I will probably replace it, it's 10 bucks.
 
#19 ·
there are 2 water temp units on the intake , the one that works with the dash gauge is a single wire unit called a sender ,its ONLY function is to operate the gauge on the dash , the one that works with the engine computer has 2 wires and is called a sensor . both are located near the thermostat / upper radiator hose screwed into the intake manifolds water jacket . Water temp sensor out of range will cause a choke like overfuel if one way and a lean start if the other way . The sensors dodgeboys points out have a greater effect on the engines fuel if they are not within proper range . The single "prong" or single wire , one you speak of , the wire is power from the dash gauge , the sender gives that wire an "amount" of ground according to the water's temp and does not effect the engine controller( pcm)
 
#21 ·
I replaced the temp sensor for the computer. Truck seems to be doing better. Is there a way to tell if the computer is running in open or closed mode? Without a specialized computer reader?