[Sam Simpson]

I have heard that 16.5" tires will fit a 16" wheel, but claim it isn't safe, even though they fit and air up with no leaks.

So I assume a 16.1" tire will fit a 16" wheel, but would it be safe? What about a 16" beadlock, seeing that the safety bead is no longer used on the outside portion of the wheel (the tire mounts outside the rim and is clamped down by the beadlock). What about for trail only use?

 

[Smokey]

I never heard of a "16.1" is that a crossover from Pmetric, or what?

I would NOT EVEN drive with 16.5s mounted on 16" wheel, although it might be OK for "limp home" emergency, but there's a quarter inch to a half inch gap (depending upon how well centered it is) between the bead inner lip and the flat of the rim...

 

[Sam Simpson]

16.1 is for heavy machinery, farm equipment, etc. So on a 16.1" tire there will only be a .05" on difference then a 16" tire, I wonder how true 16" tire is in the first place? There has to be a tolerance of error, maybe 16" tires are often actually 16.1" or 16.2" at times?

I wouldn't put a 16.5 tire on a 16" wheel either, I just have heard they do fit and they do air up with no leaks. 16.1 is very close to a 16 inch wheel, just curious if it would be safe to do that for offroading purposes. My rig is trail only. I can get very aggressive large tires for cheap in the 16.1 size.

 

[Evildriver-3]

Yeah you can get a 16 on a 16.5 and a 16.5 on a 16 in both cases you stand a good chance losing your arm seating the bead

 

[Sam Simpson]

Yeah you can get a 16 on a 16.5 and a 16.5 on a 16 in both cases you stand a good chance losing your arm seating the bead

Yes Marty, it was clearly explained it was possible, question is will a 16.1 tire fit safely on a 16" wheel

 

[MtMopar]

According to this website http://www.tiredefects.com/agricultural_tires/Default.htm it is still not safe to run a 16.1 on a 16 rim. They state the reason as being that the flange/bead portion of the wheel does not correctly match the tire and can blow off.

 

[Sam Simpson]

hmm, this should not be a problem on a beadlock wheel then. Well maybe, on a normal beadlock wheel the outer side of the tire sit outside the wheel, therefore safety bead matching doesn't matter. The beadlock ring bolts to the wheel, basically sandwiching the tire between the beadlock ring and the outside of the wheel. But the inner side of the tire does sit in the stock safety bead are of the wheel.

However, a double beadlock wheel does not have a safety bead at all. It is bascially a wheel that is cut in half, with flat mounting areas for the tire. A beadlock sits inside of the tire and the two pieces of the wheel bolt together, sandwiching both sides of the tires between the rim pieces and the inner beadlock. I think a 16.1 tire on a double beadlock wheel would be safe.

 

[Smokey]

Double bead lock would certainly hold it on, I would not be scared of that. However I would worry that Ag and industrial tires are not designed for the rotational speeds that mudding with a BB could generate.

It'd be a sad day when a big chunk of ag tread went flying though your body work... Hopefully one of our serious tire people will drop by this thread.

 

[DODGEBOYS]

basically yer talk BOBCAT tires with the 16.1 rim / they have the same rim design as the 16.5 rims that dont hold air on a side load / the 16.1,s have the same problem when mounted on a 16 inch rim / but l dont see a problem with the dual bead locks

 

[Evildriver-3]

Your gonna run bobcat and skid loader/skid steer tires? why?

 

[Sam Simpson]

Your gonna run bobcat and skid loader/skid steer tires? why?

I never said I was gonna run them, was just curious. The tires I found have super aggressive tread, much like a bogger with a nice height and width for cheap, like 165 bucks a tire new. They were about 38" or 40" tall by 16" or so wide.

I know for a fact they would be good mud tires, just not sure about rocks and stuff. The lugs are so deep I don't see why not. I don't think these were made for a skid loader, unless people use skid or frontend loaders in the mud or off pavement. The lugs were about 3" deep, I don't see the bogger design with 3" deep lugs making good traction on slick concrete.

 

[Evildriver-3]

How heavy are they, i think there like 15 plys and not soft, i know the tires your talking about there on those vehicles listed, well actually i think the tires your talking about are on these

 

[Sam Simpson]

Not sure what they are for, but they don't look like those. They are way more aggressive, actually look like a mud tire. The same place also has Denman ground hawgs for the 16.1 wheel. They are the exact same ground hawgs you buy for your truck, but they have the same use as the other tires.

 

[Evildriver-3]

Yeah those man lift machines come with a bunch of different tread design tires including a ground hawg look a like and swampers and a few other designs

 

[Smokey]

The Air Force has similar tires on some "off-pavement" aircraft loaders and forklifts...

I think I would just call the manufacturer... or have your friendly dealer call'em, and discuss the high rpm question. I know they're strong, and carry a heck of a heavy load, but.....

 

[thegrimreaper]

Hey there 10 year tire guy here,16.1" tires are for farm use in general and are not intended for use on a 16"light truck wheel.16.5" tires on 16" wheels is just a ticking time bomb waiting to happen,probably why the guy whose telling you its o.k. to do only has one arm.if you want 16.1 farm tires for mud boggin or whatever youd be better off buying a farm wheel whith the 8on6.5 bolt pattern and using that.Ugly wheel but better fit.Imagine if you did bead lock a 16.1" tire to a 16" wheel and the bead wrap desides to come apart because of missmatched fittment,if it happens while your rotating them on for your weekend excursion can you phisically hold back even 50psi pressure.There is a lot of square inches in even a 33 inch tire more than enough to kill you.A few facts for you a 12" honda civic tire and wheel assembly left under a honda civic inflating until explotion lifts the car an average of 6' off the ground.A 1400x25 logging truck tire at 100psi explodes sending the 180lb service man 1/4 mile away usually in more than 1 piece.Ahaul trk tire explodes at 100psi leveling a 2000 square ft building.Sorry to be so long winded,but for all the sh*t and abuse tires will actually endure(you have no idea)there are some things that you just dont do.If you want another option for boggin tires try 12.4x24 rear tractor tires on wheels welded up to 16"light truck wheels your truck will go in 2wd were it wouldnt go with 44"boggers and locked front and rear diffs.Again sorry this is so long winded if your looking for other options or have more questions about tires etc. please feel free to ask.

 

[Evildriver-3]

You know there extra heavy tires

 

[thegrimreaper]

The Air Force has similar tires on some "off-pavement" aircraft loaders and forklifts...

I think I would just call the manufacturer... or have your friendly dealer call'em, and discuss the high rpm question. I know they're strong, and carry a heck of a heavy load, but.....

No they wont work they are meant for slow moving vehicles high speed and or rpm builds to much heat and makes the tire casing disintegrate.Tough as nails yes but out of their element in a high speed and or rpm situation.

 

[Sam Simpson]

nobody said that 16.5 tires should go on 16" wheels, or vice versa, we already know that is a bad idea. A double beadlock wheel has no safety bead, so there is no lip to ruin. My application is on my trail rig, sees about 20 ft of pavement on every trip, if that. It is trailered to and from the trails. Max speed it will ever see is maybe 25 mph, probably never over 10 mph unless I am doing a mud drag.

 

[Evildriver-3]

Yeah i guess than it's ok Sam, but there heavy tires