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Well, I informed the g/f I wanted to go to the jungle this weekend, and she said 'OK'.  So it looks like I have permission. ::) ;D  I'll look around and see what I can find.  If there is one reasonably priced, I'll pick it up.  Then I'll have a bargaining chip for that 318. ;D
 

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Well, I informed the g/f I wanted to go to the jungle this weekend, and she said 'OK'. So it looks like I have permission. ::) ;D I'll look around and see what I can find. If there is one reasonably priced, I'll pick it up. Then I'll have a bargaining chip for that 318. ;D
and a mighty powerful bargaining chip at that=-)

if you could manage this somehow i would be eternally grateful

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It looks like I am going to have to pass on that 360 shortblock.  I do not want to deal with having to get a new cam & lifters, and possibly springs.  I may still go look at it, but the more I am reading on my post in the help board, the lower my prospective offer gets.  I doublt the guy would like a $300 offer, which is about all I would give for it considering I would have to get a cam & lifters, and then send my heads off to the machine shop.  He said the shortblock is new, and has been hanging on his engine stand for 4 years under plastic.  He sold his Dodge, so has no use for it.  Maybe he just wants it gone.  But if he paid $1200 for it, I doubt he wants to eat $900.

Sure would be nice to have a brand new bottom end though.  Of course, a low mile magnum 318 would be fun too, even though that will need a new intake and carb....ARG!

Why didn't this truck just have a damn slant in it! ;D
 

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Little update.  The guy with the shortblock wants $400.  I offered $300, explaining I would have to change the cam.  I know $400 is a pretty good deal fora new shortblock, but I figure it would cost $200-250 per head to have them rebuilt, $150-200 for a new cam and lifters, and then whatever other items I may need like a water pump and misc.  I wonder what I could sell that .509 cam for on Moparts, or even here.

I told the guy I'd mull it over.  If I should be jumping on it, somebody please e-slap me...

-SM
 

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ok aaron,
i ran it through my desktop dyno (desktopdyno2000) with these figures:


a 20 overbore stock 360 engine
stock wedge heads with stock valves
i also used flat top pistons without valve reliefs and a standard measurement of piston down in bore 0.10 inch with a stock 0.039 thickness head gasket and 72cc combustion chambers.

this gave you a compression ratio of 8.38:1 (told you it would be anemic ;D)

ran it with a 750cfm 4bbl carb and a dual plane intake

used small tube headers with mufflers

high performance street profile cam with a 0.509 lift and a 0.292 advertised duration (might help if i had an @ .050 duration) installed on a 112 degree centerline

and came up with these figures:

293 horsepower at 5500RPM (it doesnt even break 200 horsepower until 3500 RPM)

326 pounds-feet of torque at 4000RPM (doesnt break 300 pounds-feet until 2500RPM)

if you can get it for the $300 i would still take it, for that matter $400 isnt that bad of a deal, but i would still try and hold out on him, if he is willing to let it go for that much of a loss, it is just a matter of time till he sells it for your price.

then another $100 to as much as you want to spend on a cam of your choice with lifters

if oyu got a more mild cam you wouldnt be as likely to need new valve springs, but if you did need springs figure about another $100 for those.

new pushrods $3 or $4 a piece

water pump $40 or so

top end gasket set $125 or so

intake and carb, anywhere from $75 for a used set to about $400 for an aftermarket carb and manny

you are looking at a total of about $1200-1500 for a completely rebuilt engine after all is said and done. so not to bad of a deal. one thing to consider though, this engine is already machined and balanced, so that is a good portion of the rebuild cost you have saved by going with a junkyard block

if you are serious about going the whole rebuild route, i say it isnt all that bad of a deal

JMO

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The guy supposedly bought the short block off an army guy (army guy paid $1200) for $400, and he wants that back out of it.

I am going to hold off a few days and call him back, probably go look at it, and offer $350, if it isn't sold.  It has been in the paper for a week, so I don't think it is going anywhere any time soon.

I would definitely replace the cam though.  Something closer to stock with a little more lift, but not much more duration than stock.  Then with your help, degree the cam in 4 or 6 degrees advanced to keep the torque curve down low.  Like I said, this engine will probably never see the high side of 4000 rpm, and rarely go over 3000.

I have DD2000 at home on the computer, so I will have to play with some off-the shelf cam specs to see what I really want.

Time will tell.

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aaron, look at your door tag. what is the gvwr? if it is listed as over 6000 poounds it still qualified as a heavy duty vehicle in 78 and did not need the cats or the smog stuff. my guess is it probalby didnt have them, especially as even a ramcharger from that year qualified at 6001 gvwr

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Thought I'd update you on this Eric. i opened my eyes and that tag IS infact still there, and ledgible. ::) I don't remember the exact GVWR off hand, but it was over 6000 lbs. I think it was 6500 lbs. Yes! No cats required. ;D ;D That will help greatly when I have the exhaust re-done. I am thinking of swapping in the magnum manifolds from my 2000 360 (replaced them with shorty headers) as I have read they flow better than stock LA manifolds. Then 2-1/2 pipes to the Y, and a single 3" pipe with a cheap 3" in/out muffler, dumping out the side in front of the passenger rear tire. 8)

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a little info on the magnum manifold swap aaron. it is going to be a PIA to route those rear exiting manifolds in the engine bay.

they do flow better and can be put in there with a little work, but they do exit differently and as such would need a whole new exhaust setup. which if you are starting from scratch is just fine, but if using the stock exhaust is a problem.

those manifolds ought to wake that 360 up quite a bit though.

also, if you go to a shop and they tell you they cant run them without cats, go to a different shop. when i was looking for duals for my old 76 i had to go to about 6 different shops before i found one that said i didnt require cats. and of course after all of that searching i then managed to find a parts truck with duals already on it i swapped over for alot less than a shop was going to charge.

eric

ps: the kid has the new engine ready to drop in, just waiting for his brother to come do the swap. as soon as it is in and the old magnum out he is going to call me. will keep you posted
 

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There looks to be plenty of firewall clearance on both sides.  The passenger side I will have to move the trans dipstick tube, the driver's side looks like it will require a 45° bend right off the manifold to clear the starter.  That reminds me of another item to look for at the boneyard...mini-starter. ;D
 

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you do know of course, we are giong to want pics and a how to on "how to retro-fit magnum manifolds to the LA block" ;D

eric

ps: on a side note speaking of exhausts. i found out that a mid 80's aerostar has headers from the factory on the 2.8 engine and with some minor alterations would work great on my ranger. so any guesses what item i am looking for now? ;)
 

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Great, now I have to look in mini-vans too when I get back to the Jalopy Jungle... ;D
 

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Great, now I have to look in mini-vans too when I get back to the Jalopy Jungle... ;D
if oyu do try and grab the y-pipe as well. i have been told it makes the swap much easier in getting the new exhaust on there.

here is a discussion off another forum regarding my new carb and the header application.

eric

ps: that non-synced 2bbl holley is up for grabs
 

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Are those headers on '86 Aerostars only? That was the only year I saw mentioned.

And I don't have a cutting torch...so I hope they aren't too bad to extract should I find a set. i can use a hacksaw for teh exhaust pipe after the Y...I just need to rememebr to bring some Wasp killer. The jungle seems to be a wasp breeding ground (no pun intended ;) )
 

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Are those headers on '86 Aerostars only? That was the only year I saw mentioned.

And I don't have a cutting torch...so I hope they aren't too bad to extract should I find a set. i can use a hacksaw for teh exhaust pipe after the Y...I just need to rememebr to bring some Wasp killer. The jungle seems to be a wasp breeding ground (no pun intended ;) )
i am guessing it would be any year the 2.8 was offered in the aerostar. i will have to see what years that would be and let you know

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ok just got done checking, looks like 86 was the first year of the aerostar and also the only year the 2.8 was offered in it. so that would be the only year that had the headers i would need

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and here is what i found using car-part.com

for the 2.8 right hand side

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 00020166 $65 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar PNSN $35 CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  P4271 $35 CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  BS1373 $30 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  BS1587 $30 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  BS2502 $30 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

2.8 left hand side

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 00020166 $65 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar PNSN $35 CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  P4271 $35 CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  BS1373 $30 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

1986
Exhaust Manifold
Ford Aerostar 2.8L  BS2502 $30 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

so doesnt look like they would be all that expensive. wonder what it would take to get a place to toss in the y-pipe with them?

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as for the mini starter aaron, i do beleive these will work. about halfway down the list it shows several at "the jungle" starting at about $45

1992
Starter
Dodge Dakota 6-239 (3.9L) rebuilt 1020 $125 B & T Auto Wrecking USA-ID(Payette) Request_Quote 1-866-579-7787 Request_Insurance_Quote

1995
Starter
Dodge Truck 1500 Series 114K,5.9L,AT/4X4  A P41025 $75 PRP - Shaw Auto Parts - PAR Member USA-ID(Pocatello) Request_Quote 1-800-888-9495 Request_Insurance_Quote

1988
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Dodge Truck 250 Series 001183021 $65 Fritz's Auto Salvage USA-ID(Salmon) E-mail 1-866-808-3672

1988
Starter
Dodge Ramcharger 000105024 $60 Fritz's Auto Salvage USA-ID(Salmon) E-mail 1-866-808-3672

1988
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Dodge Dakota BR6402 $50 Bailey Truck and Auto Supply USA-ID(Pocatello) E-mail 1-208-232-6918

1995
Starter
Dodge Dakota OIC  BR6472 $50 Bailey Truck and Auto Supply USA-ID(Pocatello) E-mail 1-208-232-6918

1994
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Dodge Truck 1500 Series BR6428 $50 Bailey Truck and Auto Supply USA-ID(Pocatello) E-mail 1-208-232-6918

1994
Starter
Dodge Dakota 4WD,3.9L,AT,1-94  A BS8437 $45 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

1995
Starter
Dodge Truck 1500 Series 4WD,5.9L,AOD,9-94  A BS8251 $45 Dillon Auto Parts - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-800-888-8733

1991
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Dodge Truck 150 Series 4WD,3.9L,4SPD,2-91  A N4667 $45 Barger Mattson - Nampa USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-800-999-9076

1995
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Dodge Truck 1500 Series 4WD,5.2L,AT,9-94  A N4559 $45 Barger Mattson - Nampa USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-800-999-9076

1989
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Dodge Dakota 2WD,3.9,5SPD,JUY88  C J4951 $45 Jalopy Jungle USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-208-466-8468

1989
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Dodge Dakota 4WD,3.9,AT,SEP88  A J5316 $45 Jalopy Jungle USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-208-466-8468

1991
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Dodge Truck 150 Series 2WD,318,AT,OCT90  A J3813 $45 Jalopy Jungle USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-208-466-8468

1989
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Dodge Van not Caravan 250 318,AT,AUG88  A J4608 $45 Jalopy Jungle USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-208-466-8468

1994
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Dodge Truck 1500 Series 007 $35 Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail 1-208-733-3743

1993
Starter
Dodge Dakota NOT RETURNED YET C-DOUG 00024490 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1988
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Chrysler 5th Avenue RWD 00025706 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1992
Starter
Dodge Dakota 00025332 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1989
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Dodge Van 00025934 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1994
Starter
Dodge Dakota 00025860 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1994
Starter
Dodge Truck 1500 Series 00021910 $35 Forest Auto Parts USA-ID(Lewiston) E-mail 1-800-967-5228

1995
Starter
Dodge Truck 1500 124657 miles W 10222 $30 All Star Auto Wrecking USA-ID(Idaho-Falls) Request_Quote 1-800-444-9707 Request_Insurance_Quote

1993
Starter
Dodge Dakota 11839 miles W 10335 $29.7 All Star Auto Wrecking USA-ID(Idaho-Falls) Request_Quote 1-800-444-9707 Request_Insurance_Quote

1989
Starter
Dodge Dakota B2017 $Call Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail 1-208-733-3743

1994
Starter
Dodge Van not Caravan T10430 $Call Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail
1-208-733-3743

1995
Starter
Dodge Van not Caravan 2500 B1830 $Call Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail 1-208-733-3743

1995
Starter
Dodge Dakota 5.2L  T10725 $Call Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail 1-208-733-3743

1990
Starter
Dodge Ramcharger T10536 $Call Barger-Mattson Auto, Inc. USA-ID(Twin-Falls) E-mail 1-208-733-3743

1993
Starter
Dodge Dakota P5796 $Call CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1995
Starter
Dodge Dakota CK MTR P5881 $Call CBASS USA-ID(Payette) E-mail 1-800-331-9630

1994
Starter
Dodge Truck 1500 Series 2WD,5.2L,5SPD,11-93  A CS1992 $Call Dillon Auto Parts-Caldwell USA-ID(Caldwell) E-mail 1-800-777-0482

1989
Starter
Dodge Dakota A B9805 $Call Barger Mattson - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-208-853-2002

1993
Starter
Dodge Dakota A B9892 $Call Barger Mattson - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-208-853-2002

1994
Starter
Dodge Dakota A B9792 $Call Barger Mattson - Boise USA-ID(Boise) E-mail 1-208-853-2002

1988
Starter
Dodge Dakota 3.9,AT,MAR88  A J6103 $Call Jalopy Jungle USA-ID(Nampa) E-mail 1-208-466-8468

1988
Starter
Dodge Ramcharger -  A17788 $Call All Star Auto Wrecking USA-ID(Idaho-Falls) Request_Quote 1-800-444-9707 Request_Insurance_Quote


good luck

eric
 

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Interesting....I did not see either of the vehicles listed for the starter at the jungle. Newest rig I saw looked like an 86 or 87. There were some newer dakotas and jeep cherokees (early 90's), but I do not recall seeing a newer full-size truck. And no vans...nada. At least not where the guy told me all the dodges were. I'll look around some more, hopefully this weekend.

There were rows upon rows of Fords, It wouldn't surprise me if there was an Aerostar not listed on the web there. And I'll see about the Dillon yard. I also did the search, but was not sure what price range you were looking for, since the guys on the site you linked above seem to have gotton them pretty cheap. :-\ I'll let ya know.

Aaron

Oh, BTW - got the tach in. ;D



This was taken after installing, then removing the cluster. I had a teeeeny wiring snafu, thought I blew all the new gauges. I got lucky though, they all still work. The good news is the oil pressure in the engine hits 45 psi at higher rpms, and is very responsive to rpm's. The bad news is its only 8-9 psi at idle (acceptable, I know, but I like it higher), and I have some new wires to run as the factiory wires just are not cutting it. Gonna be a busy weekend. ;D
 

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looks real good aaron. one of these days i suppose i should install my oil pressure gauge. i did finally get my tach mounted but used the tried and true top of dash mount for it as my ranger doesnt have alot of spare space in the dash to place it. ;D


i agree that i like to see a bit more than 8 or 9 psi at idle but the 45 at higher rpms isnt to bad at all for as much blow by as you say that engine has


eric

 
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