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Thought this was a fitting editorial on select current events.

What Lincoln Foresaw Would Occur If Maxine Waters, Others Got Their Way With Mob Justice

At a rally Saturday, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., called for harassment of Trump administration officials and other political opponents.

Jarrett Stepman is an editor and commentary writer for The Daily Signal and co-host of "The Right Side of History" podcast. Send an email to Jarrett.

In 1836, at the Young Men's Lyceum in Springfield, Illinois, a 28-year-old lawyer named Abraham Lincoln delivered one of his finest addresses.

Lincoln condemned the sharp increase of mobs in America, which had exploded in number as the debate over slavery and regional animosity intensified.

"Accounts of outrages committed by mobs, form the every-day news of the times," Lincoln said.

Many of these mobs had turned violent and subverted the law. They were undermining free government.

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Calls for civility are sometimes vapid excuses to shut down political dissent. But what's occurring now in America is not just heated debate at political rallies, it's a surge in mob activity directed at political opponents in everyday life.

In just the past few weeks we've seen the harassment of a Trump Cabinet member, Kirstjen Nielsen, at a District of Columbia restaurant.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a Republican, was, somewhat ironically, accosted as she left a movie about Fred Rogers, or "Mr. Rogers," the nationally beloved children's show host famous for welcoming people to his fictional neighborhood.

These incidents were bad enough, but some are calling for much more.

Over the weekend, the owners of a Virginia restaurant booted White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders because of her association with the Trump administration.

This incident provoked the debate over freedom of association, but then Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., stepped into the fray and made the situation worse.

At a rally Saturday, the Los Angeles congresswoman called for mobs to go after political opponents wherever they may be.

"Let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd," Waters yelled.

Waters also said in an interview with MSNBC: "I want to tell you, these members of [Trump's] Cabinet who remain and try to defend him, they won't be able to go to a restaurant, they won't be able to stop at a gas station, they're not going to be able to shop at a department store."

Some activists have grabbed hold of these recent incidents to call for more radical action. One writer on a left-wing blog, Splinter, went even further than Waters. In an article titled "This Is Just the Beginning," he took the next big leap to essentially condoning outright violence:

Read a recent history book. The U.S. had thousands of domestic bombings per year in the early 1970s. This is what happens when citizens decide en masse that their political system is corrupt, racist, and unresponsive. The people out of power have only just begun to flex their dissatisfaction. The day will come, sooner that you all think, when Trump administration officials will look back fondly on the time when all they had to worry about was getting hollered at at a Mexican restaurant.

Of course, Lincoln in his Lyceum address begged to differ.

"There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law," Lincoln said. "In any case that arises, as for instance, the promulgation of abolitionism, one of two positions is necessarily true; that is, the thing is right within itself, and therefore deserves the protection of all law and all good citizens; or, it is wrong, and therefore proper to be prohibited by legal enactments; and in neither case, is the interposition of mob law either necessary, justifiable, or excusable."

Some, even on the left, have been a little unnerved by calls for mobs, whether violent or nonviolent, to attack political foes in everyday life.

"Those who are insisting that we are in a special moment justifying incivility should think for a moment how many Americans might find their own special moment," The Washington Post said in an editorial. "How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?"

Her fellow Democrats have voiced some condemnation of Waters' demand for mobs to harass political opponents. Much of this criticism has been muted, though.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., did take to Twitter, calling such language "unacceptable," but ultimately blamed President Donald Trump for the "provoked responses."

Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., said that "there's nothing wrong" with confronting Trump administration officials, but people should do it in a way that "leads with love."

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., offered the strongest condemnation of Waters, saying that calling for harassment of political opponents is "not American."

One would hope that mob law and mob justice don't become the norm, but we've already seen a steady uptick in the mentality that leads to that point.

We've seen it with the mobs that descended on historic statues to illegally pulverize them in the name of social justice. Now the mobs are coming for living people.

This kind of ugliness is a bad sign for our future.

Lincoln explained to his Springfield audience what could ultimately destroy the United States.

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow?" Lincoln asked.

No, never.

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected?" Lincoln asked again. "I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."


Passionate debates are good and healthy in a republic.

There was never a "golden age of civility" when all Americans got along, nor should we necessarily desire one.

Nevertheless, the ability to live together as free citizens in large part necessitates a respect for civil relations among us, where we look to persuasion and ballots to put our ideas in action, not brute intimidation of opponents.

The constitutional system the Founding Fathers built is strong, but it can't survive when citizens en masse are ready to come to blows with one another on a semipermanent basis, are ready and willing to gin up mobs to go after one another for political disagreements.

That system shattered in 1860, and ended with the bloodiest period in our nation's history.

This sort of crackup may, in fact, be what some want, but it's unlikely to end well for those who believe in free institutions in the United States.
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great article! Powerful words by Lincoln that apply so well today yet spoken so long ago. I will remember it.
 

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Have any conservatives condemned Trumps calls for violence against protesters at his rallies?  Have conservatives condemned the calls for violence against liberal protesters or activists by conservative such as Milo Yiannopoulis or Rush Limbaugh?  Have conservatives condemned Trump's description of the media as the enemies of the people?  Have conservatives condemned Trump's support, admiration, and praise of murdering dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un?  Have conservatives condemned Trump's continued unnecessary cruelty of his zero tolerance policy atthe border?  Have conservatives conemned Trump's continue efforts to discredit and deligitimize this nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies? Have any conservatives condemned the death threats that Ms. Waters and the owners of the Red Hen have received?  No?  Then in my opinion civil disobedience and the lawful exercise of first amendment rights are just fine and called for.  When the evils of ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and hatred become institutionalized and government policy, then it is correct for decent human beings to protest it and call it out whenever they see it.

The Republicans are conveniently ignoring how for eight years Obama and the Democrats tried to work with the Republicans and the Republicans refused and openly stated their goal was to be as obstructionist as possible.  The conservative talking heads (Rush LImbaugh, Fox News, etc...) amped up their already angry, violent, and hateful rhetoric even more which created an atmosphere where the biggest hate-agitator, Trump, was able to hijack the Republican party.  Conservatives have no room to complain about the tone and nature of political discourse when they refuse to condemn Trump's daily comments as well as the comments of other prominent conservative talking heads who spew hate and intolerance daily.
 

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Pelosi blaming Trump for "provoked" responses is the same as blaming a scantily dressed woman for being raped NO? I'm betting she would not DO that though . yes in the 60's 70's THE PEOPLE led the objections to the way we were being governed , politicians either agreed or disagreed , THAT was civil disobedience .... today the political opponents are leading the revolt , we must remember that they are all self serving .  News casters aren't REPORTING news like watergate , they are CREATING news  , news which suits their agenda .... Lies by omission have always been used , but not the extent to which they are today . Obama welcomed the "poor suffering children" but not the adults .... ICE arrests a fellow with warrants , and Como sues ? news reports say  "he had some MINOR warrants " yeah , entering USA illegally... several times ,  point is he broke the law ... and a GOVERNOR objects to his arrest on some twit thing and the news , rather than govern and work to change the law? we're BEING governed BY that stuff ... ABE there said that ( mob rule)was wrong ...  even Matt Dillon didn't allow that in Dodge . 
 

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It all is selective reporting try to report what furthers their agenda, take the children in detention photos which the left screamed were proof of what Trump is doing.
Shock, Horror the photos were from 2014 under Obuma and were never published because the exalted one was in charge and removed but too late, we got to see them.
If Maxine Waters was treated the way she wants all Trump supporters treated there would be an avalanche of protests, sorry she has a protective detail to head off any confrontation.
After all that Honest Abe did he was rewarded with a bullet for upsetting the elite of his day, we mustn't forget that a second rate actor recently called for another assassination of a President recently.
The trouble is (for the Socialists) America has enshrined in its Constitutions free speech, but the Demo-craps (defacto Socialists) who have no answer to the progress that President Trump has gained for average Americans are losing their minds because President Trump has shown the American people what can be achieved.
 

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Have any conservatives condemned Trumps calls for violence against protesters at his rallies?
Nope, and I'll tell you why. Trump never called for violence against protestors at his rallies. I'd challenge you to find just one example. OTOH, have you seen the Project Varitas site? You probably missed it because if you saw it, you'd see that Hitlery tried to get Trump supporters to fight the Lib protestors and have it captured by the enemy of the people, the media, so that they can produce the narrative that Trump supporters were violent. That plan didn't work

Have conservatives condemned the calls for violence against liberal protesters or activists by conservative such as Milo Yiannopoulis or Rush Limbaugh?
Again, I'd challenge you to find one example. And BTW, Rush makes a public transcript of everything he says on his website. If he said it, it will be there, but you won't find violence because he never condoned violence.

Have conservatives condemned Trump's description of the media as the enemies of the people?
If he said it, so what! Thats really funny, because we know that the media made Trump their enemy. And thats because the media is really an extension of the DNC… I bet you think they aren't biased

Have conservatives condemned Trump's support, admiration, and praise of murdering dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un?
You must be a comedian because for years the left has sucked up to every communist despot in the world, and one of the latest examples of this is being squelched by that enemy of the people known as the fake media, was Hillary illegally sold uranium to Russia and Russia paid Bill Clinton millions for a speech. OTOH, Trump is dealing with Kim Jong Un to get rid of his nukes (something Bill Clinton tried to do, by bribery)

Have conservatives condemned Trump's continued unnecessary cruelty of his zero tolerance policy at the border?
Why would we? First, the zero tolerance policy is necessary. Real Americans don't want open boarders or allow people to illegally enter our country. Why is this beyond the comprehension of Liberals? Don't they also put up fences around their own property to keep people out? No, the truth is, the only real reason why they put up such a fight is because the libs want illegals to vote, for them. Open boarders my donkey! But if you insist, take down your fences, and take the locks off your doors. Lead by example!

Have conservatives conemned Trump's continue efforts to discredit and delegitimize this nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies?
You must be getting your news from that enemy of the people known as fake news, because Trump hasn't discredited or delegitimized any law enforcement and intelligence. You should condemn the previous president for weaponizing law enforcement and intelligence against their political enemies, and BTW if they can do that to their political enemies, they can do it to you.

Have any conservatives condemned the death threats that Ms. Waters and the owners of the Red Hen have received? No?
Nope, and you probably won't find a "Republican" stalking liberal Senators playing baseball waiting to shoot them all dead either.

Then in my opinion civil disobedience and the lawful exercise of first amendment rights are just fine and called for. When the evils of ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and hatred become institutionalized and government policy, then it is correct for decent human beings to protest it and call it out whenever they see it.
Or protest someone simply because they just don't like him. It's funny that the protests began as Trump was being sworn in and long before he did anything. Nope, the lefties lost and they started to protest because they hated him (Whatever happened to "Love Trumps Hate??")

The Republicans are conveniently ignoring how for eight years Obama and the Democrats tried to work with the Republicans and the Republicans refused and openly stated their goal was to be as obstructionist as possible.
Lies, dirty filthy lies. Obama never wanted to work with the Republicans. And for the first half of his administration, he didn't need to because the Demo-rats had the all the power of government. The Republicans couldn't obstruct Obama, even if they wanted to, because they had no power whatsoever.
But there was one thing OBL didn't count on, and that was the will of the American people. And the people voted in Republicans to stop Obama in two landslide midterm elections because they know that socialism doesn't work.

The conservative talking heads (Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, etc…) amped up their already angry, violent, and hateful rhetoric even more which created an atmosphere where the biggest hate-agitator, Trump, was able to hijack the Republican party.
Oh please! My gut is hurting!! You really want to know whose spouting violence? How about Madonna crying about wanting to blow up the White House, or a comedian taking a photo with a 'severed' head, representing the president. Or a musician who shows himself shooting a caricature of the president in a music video. Or how about ANTIFA, or the Berkeley protests that violently protested republican speakers from talking on campus, Or maybe Maxine Waters who told her constituents to harass any Republicans if they were seen in public…Or the guy who shot at Republicans playing baseball…. I can go on and on about the violence on the left.

Conservatives have no room to complain about the tone and nature of political discourse when they refuse to condemn Trump's daily comments as well as the comments of other prominent conservative talking heads who spew hate and intolerance daily.
Heres the dirty little fact that the Libs fail to understand. Trump won and the conservative voices (including myself) don't have to complain because we are turning the tide of socialism back. We really don't have to complain because we won and things are getting done, like a tax break, repealing Obamacare, end illegal immigration, and Drain the Swamp of corrupt leftists and the deep state. The people who are complaining are the sore losers who are losing their power. All they have left is crying, complaints, lies, obstruction, and yes violence.

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Trump calling for violence against protestors at multiple rallies:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/

It is sad that you consider reporters reporting the facts to be the enemy of the people, but the fact that you didn't think Trump has called for violence against protestors pretty makes clear you don't listen to accurate reporting. As for the rest of your post, it reads like the typical conspiracy theory nonsense that has been pushed by conservatives for years. Remember Pizzagate? The Birther movement? Claims FEMA was buying up all the .22 calibre ammo to start death camps? The ACA would have death panels? Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks? Obama is a muslim? All that nonsense that isn't worth responding to? Yeah, that is pretty much what I think of the rest of your post. Unsupported nonsense coming from someone so utterly indoctrinated that he/she can't even tell what is independent news anymore.

The fact remains that it is the pinnacle of shameless hypocrisy for conservatives to bemoan the vile rancor and angerous rhetoric used inpolitics today since they are the ones who actively fostered it under Obama and previously. Sure there has always been disagreement between people of different political beliefs, but the current trend of fearmongering and hateful rhetoric was really started by the Republicans back in the 90s during the whole Clinton impeachment precess. The difference between most Democratic criticisms of Republicans and Republican criticisms of Democrats is that Democrats usually base their criticisms on verifiable facts while Republicans base their criticisms on insane conspiracy theories.
 

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Well put RXT, however as rational and true your last post is the loony left just won't get it and will continue to whine.
I don't know why the news services don't replay Hiltery's comment at one of the debates where she asked Trump would he go quietly if he lost, she pops up and gets paid to whine some more.
Hiltery claims to have gotten the most votes but that in itself is false, there are so many irregular voting trends at the 2016 election, the commission to get dead, non-citizens removed from the roles was thwarted by Demo-crap controlled states. Even when more votes were cast in several districts than legal voters the Demo-craps ignore these facts.
Fortunately the Founding Fathers wrote into the American Constitution a safe guard called the Electrol College which Hitlery, and the Demo-craps want repealed.
The elite see in President Donald Trump the destruction of what they have been building on for many years now, that is socializing America which will bankrupt the country and it has come close thanks to Obuma's doubling the National Debt in 8 short years.
 

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Interesting that you would call Hannity and Limbaugh talking heads yet refer people who do the same job but have democratic views as reporters. So democrats "usually" base their criticisms on verifiable facts while republicans, according to your statement in the absolute sense, base their criticisms on conspiracy theories? For that reason I find your inclusion of "hypocrisy" and "indoctrinated" as an interesting choice of words to include in the same train of thought. Independent news? That's funny. News flash-most all news has a particular lean to one side or another but I suppose those "reporters" are presenting it as it should, eh? Or at least what one particular side likes to hear. So fear mongering and hateful rhetoric began in the 90's? Well, you did insert the words "CURRENT trend" before that statement which would depend on your definition of current as it applies to your leaning for justification. 
 

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Trump calling for violence against protestors at multiple rallies:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/
(Isn't Snopes like so passé??) So this is your evidence that Trump called for violence against protesters at his rallies?? Well then, allow me to point out a relevant factor (or two) from the very Snopes article you provided;

"Donald Trump faced criticism during his successful 2016 presidential campaign based on the aggressive atmospheres of many of his rallies, where tension and intimidation repeatedly spilled over into violence.

Some of that violence has resulted in lawsuits. In one suit, Kentucky protestors who attempted to disrupt a rally in March 2016 are suing the president in federal court for incitement to riot"
blah, blah, blah

Let me point out a very relative fact thats glossed over here. These protestors "attempted" to disrupt a rally. Thats exactly what your article says. These people didn't come to protest in peace. They came to disrupt. They came to stop Trump or cause trouble. Get negative coverage in the media

This is further evidence from the same article;
….Black Lives Matters demonstrators came on stage at a Bernie Sanders rally in Seattle, taking over the podium and interrupting the candidate's stump speech.

Of course we later discovered that the Hitlery campaign successfully fixed the primaries against Bernie, to insure she would win the Democrap nomination and that those BLM protestors came with the intent to disrupt Bernie's rally.

So we can determine for fact just based on your Snopes article that Liberal protestors were trying to disrupt Trump rallies. How about violence? Do you think that an effective way to disrupt a rally would be by violence?? Well lets find out. Have you ever heard of Project Veritas? They put out an undercover video to answer that very question which they asked from the top persons involved with the Hitlery campaign;


Some of the excerpts of the video if you choose not to watch;

From Scott Foval, National Field Director at Americans United for Change (He used to work for George Soros and was an operative for the Hitlery campaign) (Starts at 2:21)

"If you're there and you're protesting and you do these actions, you will be attacked at Trump rallies. That's what we want"

Project Veritas journalist;

"Oh so, oh, oh, so that's part of the process, of getting, of eliciting the reaction, okay.

Scott Foval;

"The whole point of it is that we know Trump's people will freak the Eff out, his security team will freak out, and his supporters will lose their shit."

Scott Foval;

"We are contracted directly with the DNC and the campaign both."

(From 7:09)

Scott Foval;
"Theres a script"
"Theres a script of engagement. Sometimes the crazies bite and sometimes the crazies don't bite."

"I mean honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. It's a matter of showing up, to want to get into a rally, in a Planned Parenthood t-shirt. Or, Trump is a Nazi, you know. You can message to draw them out, and draw them to punch you. (8:18)

And here's quotes by another DNC operative Aaron Black, DNC rapid response coordinator; (9:12)

So, I'm basically deputy rapid response director for the DNC for all things Trump on the ground.

So the Chicago protests when they shut all that, that was us. It was more him (Bob Creamer) than me, but none of this is supposed to come back to us, because we want it coming from people, we don't want it to come from the party. So if we do a protest and if it's branded a DNC protest, right away the press is going to say partisan. But if I'm in there coordinating with all the groups on the ground and sort of playing field general but they are the ones talking to the cameras, then it's actually people. But if we send out press advisories with DNC on them and Clinton campaign it doesn't have that same effect.

More from Scott Foval: (11:23)

"Because the one thing I'm never going to do is have some kid get punched out at a rally and then not have his doctor bill and his legal bill, if he gets arrested, paid for."

The violence isn't coming from the right, it's planned for and executed by the left thru paid agitators, whose jobs it was to get into fights, start trouble and get punched, so the event can be reported in the media in an effort to paint the RNC, it's supporters and the President in a negative light.

Trump's words to "Get him outta here" aren't violent words or a call to violence. But violence was the goal, and paid protestor came to disrupt, and violence was part of that plan. They wanted violence, they planned for it and they got it.

It is sad that you consider reporters reporting the facts to be the enemy of the people,
They aren't reporting facts. They make up the facts as they go along. Their purpose is to lie and deceive the people and their facts are refutable. Would a friend of the people have to resort to lying?

but the fact that you didn't think Trump has called for violence against protestors pretty makes clear you don't listen to accurate reporting.
Fact huh? How you feel now, knowing that there were DNC operatives trying to purposely disrupt a rally (Bernie, Trump's, doesn't matter) to include violence? I bet your left wing media didn't mention it other than to try to pin the blame of that violence on conservatives, when in actuality it was the libs who planned it and executed it and were using the media to smear the right. It makes it pretty clear that the reports aren't accurate and are biased towards the left, and to push a narrative.

As for the rest of your post, it reads like the typical conspiracy theory nonsense that has been pushed by conservatives for years. Remember Pizzagate? The Birther movement? Claims FEMA was buying up all the .22 calibre ammo to start death camps? The ACA would have death panels? Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks? Obama is a muslim? All that nonsense that isn't worth responding to?
Of course! No response. When faced with irrefutable facts, all you get is crickets. But for the benefit of everyone else reading here…lets remind everyone who is the violent group. Madonna wanting to blow up the white house, a comedian had a photo taken with a severed head of the president, a music video featuring the musician shooting a caricature of the president, an actor who says that he would love to punch the president in the face, a former vice prez who said the same thing, protestors in berkely who destroyed property protesting republicans from speaking on campus, Senators who openly call for harassment of republicans in public, gunmen who target republican representatives playing baseball, These are the facts!

Yeah, that is pretty much what I think of the rest of your post. Unsupported nonsense coming from someone so utterly indoctrinated that he/she can't even tell what is independent news anymore.
Personally I don't care what you think of my post. I can support my views effectively and debunk yours and thats because I don't follow your biased standard. I also don't follow the liberal media because they aren't news. All they are is an extension of the DNC and all they report about is how bad Trump is and how great the democrats are. They make up news when they think they can get away with it or flat out avoid it when it's bad news for them. When they get caught lying, they switch gears and report on the next lie. You love those lies because we know you don't like Trump. In fact I can say with a reasonable amount of certainty that you hate Trump and we can assume this based on your own words. I don't think you really care what the news reports, so long as it fits your hatred for the president. That would make it far worse than simple indoctrination. That makes it ignorance.

The fact remains that it is the pinnacle of shameless hypocrisy for conservatives to bemoan the vile rancor and angerous rhetoric used in politics today since they are the ones who actively fostered it under Obama and previously.
The pinnacle of shameless hypocrisy comes from the left. Case in point, the left is the ones calling for violence against the right and they are shown to have acted on it in numerous ways and yet they claim the moral high ground and say that it's the right thats being violent?! The right isn't intimidating anyone. No right wing group is flipping and burning cars in the street, protesting a liberal speaker at a big university. No republican has ever shot at democrat representatives playing a game of baseball. The vile rancor is pitched by the left against the right including the media.

Sure there has always been disagreement between people of different political beliefs, but the current trend of fear mongering and hateful rhetoric was really started by the Republicans back in the 90s during the whole Clinton impeachment precess. The difference between most Democratic criticisms of Republicans and Republican criticisms of Democrats is that Democrats usually base their criticisms on verifiable facts while Republicans base their criticisms on insane conspiracy theories.
So now were going back to Bill Clinton to prove a point,,,ok I can do that. So, it was a conspiracy and not fact that they found the presidential DNA on the blue dress after he told the people that he did not touch "that woman" Monica Lewinsky. He didn't lie to a judge knowing the irrefutable evidence presented (and which he lost his Bar as a consequence of that lie) How about the accusations of rape against the president? Was it the "Vast Right wing conspiracy"? Or a presidential cover up? Isn't it hypocritical when a person running for senate office has his entire campaign tanked by a 40 yr old accusation but a president with 4 separate accusations of rape is given the benefit of doubt??

Yes there are always disagreements between those of the left and those of the real right. (Namely one side believes in socialism and the other side believes socialism doesn't work) You see the Democraps don't accept any criticism but they have no issue with full blown criticism of the right. As a Democrap, you can be accused of rape and all it is to them is a resume enhancer, but to a republican it's a political death sentence. As a democrat, you can drive off a bridge and kill a woman, and still be a successful senator for at least 40 more yrs, but for a republican, if they bow their knee and pray to God, they aren't fit for office.

So please spare me the moral outrage and the BS of violence coming from the right. Let me point out a fact for you. The republicans won. We won the House, we won the Senate and we won the presidency. We control the reigns of power. And to be absolutely blunt, the libs can't stop us. We can force tax breaks on you, we can force a great economy on you and not a single Democrap can stop that. We don't need to resort to violence at all. All we need to do is snap our fingers and it is so. Now what do we possibly have to gain by kicking in a few heads when all we need to do is legally legislate? Now on the flip side, you have this party, and it's out of political power. Sure, they still desperately hold onto enclaves here and there where there are some blue specks left on the map. But they have no real power anywhere at the federal level. So you have ask yourself, how does a party thats out of power make their demands heard? How can they force their issues? How do they sway public opinion? Maybe violence?? How do you hide that violence? Maybe blame it on republicans?? So one side has nothing to gain from violence and perhaps has everything to lose by using violence. The other side has nothing left to lose.

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What I don't understand Reed... you own a Dodge or Plymouth off road vehicle... Yes?
How in the world can you support anything resembling anything leaning towards the left.
You do understand going that direction you will be disqualified from anything the Liberals support.
You do know the stance they represent concerning anything Ramcharger Central supports?

I'm confused.
 

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Thank-you KurtfromLaQuinta.
I used to travel to America each year for my vacation and considered it my second home. Last there in 2007.
I saw the glaring irregularities of Obuma and Hiltery and couldn't believe how they were getting away with gutting America and all that she stood for.
There has been a worldwide push by people of which George Soros is now the exposed front man, one of his close aids is Gareth Evans who was our Foreign Affairs minister under one of our socialist governments, we called him 'Biggles' due to his jet-setting activities, he was and is an embarrassment to Australia.
I could see watching news reports and commentaries that, love him or hate him Donald Trump was a clear choice Americans had back in 2016, Hiltery has a long history along with Bill of corruption never before seen in a free society.
Every politician makes promises when trying to gather votes but very few actually intend to carry out those promises. Donald Trump saw that the American people were struggling and hurting under Obuma so being the astute businessman he is decided to do something about it. Many still don't realize that Trump used his own money at first and in the end spent about a 1/4 of what Hiltery spent with the intention of keeping his promises like Abraham Lincoln did.
 

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They want a civil war for multiple reasons like gun control. It's order out of Chaos. Although they won't stop trying, I don't think ol' ditch pig herself Maxine will be able to incite a civil war but if they did...... whoa Nelly! The leftists wouldn't stand a chance but then not many Patriots will survive the military when they start shooting the shooters and winners. It's a perfect depopulation tactic  {cool}

 

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She should be in jail.

 

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Canadian country boy said:
They want a civil war for multiple reasons like gun control. It's order out of Chaos.
It's called "Cloward and Piven" Overwhelm the system, then blame the system when it fails, then ride in on the white horse to "fix" the system. Thats how you take a society based on limited government and individual freedom & liberty, down the path of socialism.

Although they won't stop trying, I don't think ol' ditch pig herself Maxine will be able to incite a civil war but if they did…… whoa Nelly! The leftists wouldn't stand a chance but then not many Patriots will survive the military when they start shooting the shooters and winners. It's a perfect depopulation tactic {cool}
It's probably not smart on their part to challenge the side that has all the guns, but then again, thats why they are so pushing for gun control.

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Another common name for it is called: Problem - Reaction - Solution. Create the problem you want and then wait for everybody's reaction and then offer a solution to the problems they create. It's a classic tactic that has worked for centuries and will probably continue for a few more.   
 

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Canadian country boy said:
Another common name for it is called: Problem - Reaction - Solution. Create the problem you want and then wait for everybody's reaction and then offer a solution to the problems they create. It's a classic tactic that has worked for centuries and will probably continue for a few more.
Or perpetuate a lie long enough... then it becomes fact.
 
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