[Natedog_37]

Here are some of my friends cars dyno numbers

both are untuned and are running way off.
91 talon AWD
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/download.php?id=1828

Nissan 240 RWD
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/download.php?id=1829

I have meet this guy two times. This is a stock internal motor and is a auto

http://kane.phpwebhosting.com/~niggapino/media/980rwhp%20stock%20bottom.mpeg

Not a friend but though you might like this

http://oregonstate.edu/~uyemuraa/Duc%20Dyno/DucDyno.mpg

that should be a good start for now

 

[Guest]

wow 400 horsepower and only 8,000 RPM......

i can make a V-8 make 400 horsepower at idle.... and itll still run 20 years from now, hell i could beat that with a old flathead. American V-8 iron cant be beaten...its a fact not an opinion.

those cars will be dead by next tuesday....

 

[Sam Simpson]

wow 400 horsepower and only 8,000 RPM......

i can make a V-8 make 400 horsepower at idle.... and itll still run 20 years from now, hell i could beat that with a old flathead. American V-8 iron cant be beaten...its a fact not an opinion.

those cars will be dead by next tuesday....

Well an import engine and drivetrain is probably less then 1/3 of the weight of your v8 400 hp motor and drivetrain. Your 400 hp car or truck can be beat in the quarter by an import with half the output you make, so no way will you beat an import with 400 hp.

And your statement is all opinion. I know a guy with a Plymouth Laser with 275 hp to the ground that will spank your street legal V8 car you build for 400 hp. So imagine if he had 400 hp While you have traction probs, he won't, it is AWD.

It is power/weight ratio, that is a fact.

 

[Natedog_37]

wow 400 horsepower and only 8,000 RPM......

i can make a V-8 make 400 horsepower at idle.... and itll still run 20 years from now, hell i could beat that with a old flathead. American V-8 iron cant be beaten...its a fact not an opinion.

those cars will be dead by next tuesday....

yeah now do that for under $2000 including the car.
and remeber that is all 4 tires getting 400HP not 2 tires

and remeber that cars only weights 2500 pounds

and he ran a 12.1 spinning all the way down the track on street tires.

 

[Guest]

you put as much money you want into a 4 cylinder, and ill beat the living crap out of you at half the cost, twice the weight, and ill do it with a rusty dodge pickup truck....

weight does matter.... but tourqe can back that up and then some, if you dont believe that take a look at that cummins diesel running 12 seconds in a 3 ton truck. a race V-8 will make more tourqe than HP and do it faster. a 400 horse V-8 can have over 500 ft pounds and run a power band across the dyno where that 4 cylinder makes 400 horse and 300 ft pounds and doesnt even kick in till 6 grand.

id take you off the line, id take you at 60 feet, id take you at 1/8th and id be long gone at the 1/4.... and then when were done ill put your 4 cylinder car in the back of the truck and still run a faster time than you.

 

[Sam Simpson]

lol, I guess you didn't read bill. He spent 2 grand on a 12 second car. Can you do that?

I had a post in one of the anti rice /v8's rule over imports posts where I listed normal prices on buying a use 90 to 94 DSM turbo can and prices on parts to buy to make that car get in the 12's, 11's and 10's. For around 2 grand (including the price of the car) you are in the 12's, add another 500 to 800 and you are in the 11's, add another 500 to 800 and you are in the 10's.

So 10 sec car with less then 4 grand spent. This has been done many many times with time slips to prove it. My buddy currently has a low 12 second Plymouth Laser AWD, he has less then $3500 in it and the car looks new! New interior! After he gets his large front mount intercooler he should step into the high 11's.

BTW, his Laser currently has a dyno proven 275 hp at the wheels, can you make a big V8 car run low 12's with only 275 hp at the wheels?

 

[Sam Simpson]

Just so you know, I am not trying to knock V8 vehicles, I own a 440 RC And I would love to have a 440 Challenger or Cuda. I just have a more open mind when it comes to vehicles and I don't diss anything that can be cool or fast.

 

[Guest]

you put as much money you want into a 4 cylinder, and ill beat the living crap out of you at half the cost, twice the weight, and ill do it with a rusty dodge pickup truck....

weight does matter.... but tourqe can back that up and then some, if you dont believe that take a look at that cummins diesel running 12 seconds in a 3 ton truck. a race V-8 will make more tourqe than HP and do it faster. a 400 horse V-8 can have over 500 ft pounds and run a power band across the dyno where that 4 cylinder makes 400 horse and 300 ft pounds and doesnt even kick in till 6 grand.

id take you off the line, id take you at 60 feet, id take you at 1/8th and id be long gone at the 1/4.... and then when were done ill put your 4 cylinder car in the back of the truck and still run a faster time than you.

Gotta back up Bill, the quickest cars in the world aren't 4 cyl's, they are supercharged V-8 Hemis. When a 4 cyl can do what John Force's car can do, then you can prove your point. I know, "That's different", right? No it's not, cause if they COULD do it with a different type engine, then they WOULD.

 

[Guest]

lol, I guess you didn't read bill. He spent 2 grand on a 12 second car. Can you do that?

Mopar action did it a long time ago for a total investmet of about $600 bucks with a 67 Chrysler 440. They ran 12s by stripping the car down to nothing. Took bumpers, doors, quarters, everything off the car that didn't make it go. Who cares if you can get it to go X fast on X amount of dollars. All that with no slicks, smoking tires down the dragstrip. I personally would rather have an old Mope than than a fart machine. Sorry, but 4 cylinders with aftermarket exhaust will always sound like fart machines to me, no matter how fast they are.

 

[Natedog_37]

lol, I guess you didn't read bill. He spent 2 grand on a 12 second car. Can you do that?

Mopar action did it a long time ago for a total investmet of about $600 bucks with a 67 Chrysler 440. They ran 12s by stripping the car down to nothing. Took bumpers, doors, quarters, everything off the car that didn't make it go. Who cares if you can get it to go X fast on X amount of dollars. All that with no slicks, smoking tires down the dragstrip. I personally would rather have an old Mope than than a fart machine. Sorry, but 4 cylinders with aftermarket exhaust will always sound like fart machines to me, no matter how fast they are.

Yeah but he spent a full What $2000 grand toget the car and in parts.

Also DSM are running 7sec drag cars. they are getting very close to john force.

remeber your V8 have been around for 30+ years us 4 bangers have been around for 12 and we are very close to you and doing it with 4 less pistons

I am just saying keep a open mind both V8 V6 and 4 bangs can all be made fast

and YES WEIGHT PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN SPEED why would you build a rail car a funny car if weight played no role?

TQ is great but being light will make a huge different,

and if you want to put money on your ramcharger beating a import I can bring some your way that would be more than happy to take you money and they are street legal.

 

[Guest]

lol, I guess you didn't read bill. He spent 2 grand on a 12 second car. Can you do that?

Mopar action did it a long time ago for a total investmet of about $600 bucks with a 67 Chrysler 440. They ran 12s by stripping the car down to nothing. Took bumpers, doors, quarters, everything off the car that didn't make it go. Who cares if you can get it to go X fast on X amount of dollars. All that with no slicks, smoking tires down the dragstrip. I personally would rather have an old Mope than than a fart machine. Sorry, but 4 cylinders with aftermarket exhaust will always sound like fart machines to me, no matter how fast they are.

Yeah but he spent a full What $2000 grand toget the car and in parts.

Also DSM are running 7sec drag cars. they are getting very close to john force.

remeber your V8 have been around for 30+ years us 4 bangers have been around for 12 and we are very close to you and doing it with 4 less pistons

I am just saying keep a open mind both V8 V6 and 4 bangs can all be made fast

and YES WEIGHT PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN SPEED why would you build a rail car a funny car if weight played no role?

TQ is great but being light will make a huge different,

and if you want to put money on your ramcharger beating a import I can bring some your way that would be more than happy to take you money and they are street legal.

No, the car was 600 bucks. Total investment. I guess they already had the sawzall.

 

[Natedog_37]

Drew you always have a way to make me laugh

 

[Sam Simpson]

Mopar action did it a long time ago for a total investmet of about $600 bucks with a 67 Chrysler 440. They ran 12s by stripping the car down to nothing. Took bumpers, doors, quarters, everything off the car that didn't make it go. Who cares if you can get it to go X fast on X amount of dollars. All that with no slicks, smoking tires down the dragstrip. I personally would rather have an old Mope than than a fart machine. Sorry, but 4 cylinders with aftermarket exhaust will always sound like fart machines to me, no matter how fast they are.

well if you want to start throwing non street legal cars in the equation, why not stick a big block on a sand rail?

I never said the fastest car in the world is a 4 cylinder (wild misinterpretation of my point), just said that I am not close minded enough to not give respect when respect is do. So people are so narrow minded they can't see that.

 

[MoPaR MaNiaC 79RC]

wow 400 horsepower and only 8,000 RPM......

i can make a V-8 make 400 horsepower at idle.... and itll still run 20 years from now, hell i could beat that with a old flathead. American V-8 iron cant be beaten...its a fact not an opinion.

those cars will be dead by next tuesday....

yeah now do that for under $2000 including the car.
and remeber that is all 4 tires getting 400HP not 2 tires

and remeber that cars only weights 2500 pounds

and he ran a 12.1 spinning all the way down the track on street tires.

natedog, dont talk about cash. We all now that ricer dumb thousands of dollars into 4 door family sedans to make them "fast"
2000 bucks just for the "fast"bumper, and the "fast" spoiler for a FWD, and the "fast" seats and the "fast"muffler that reduces power
cant forget the "fast" rims and most importantly the "fast" vinal stickers

could buy a 318 dart or something plane like that and it'll run with some of those hoped up import cars. put 2000 bucks into a 318 dart and not many import cars will keep up with it. NM a import car with only 2000 into it.

 

[MoPaR MaNiaC 79RC]

oh, dont get me wrong, i dont mind import cars. the RX-7 is a sweet machine, and a 240 sx aint to bad. but once you get into the 4 door sedan bullshit(honda mainly) the your just dumping big bucks into making a 90HP car go fast.

(edit) please refrain from using racial slang like "Jap"

 

[MoparManiacCuda]

I have one thing to say and one thing only...

"THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT"

 

[Sam Simpson]

Lol, geeze ignorance travels in packs Just kidding. Some of you guys have obviously replied without reading all the posts. Drew and myself have a buddy who has a "cheap" fast import car. Like I have already said, a 90 to 94 DSM can be bought cheap and made into a 12 second car with barely spending money.

There is a replacement for displacement, it is called technology. But like I already said before, I am not knocking anything, I am a big block guy myself, 318's are for girls If you are gonna soup a V8 up, make it a 440. The cost to make a 318 car run 12's you can run 10's with a 440.

 

[AZ-Trailduster]

oh, dont get me wrong, i dont mind jap cars. the RX-7 is a sweet machine, and a 240 sx aint to bad. but once you get into the 4 door sedan bullshit(honda mainly) the your just dumping big bucks into making a 90HP car go fast.

so basicly its a stereotypical thing? 4 doors ALWAYS has to mean slow? How bout the new SRT-4 Neon, or the Lancer Evolution...or maybe the Mazda RX-8? (thats right, 4 doors).

My friend has a 240sx, its not all that great. I'd say maybe 130hp if that. There are plenty of 4 doors (both import and domestic) that are faster.

 

[Guest]

Mopar action did it a long time ago for a total investmet of about $600 bucks with a 67 Chrysler 440. They ran 12s by stripping the car down to nothing. Took bumpers, doors, quarters, everything off the car that didn't make it go. Who cares if you can get it to go X fast on X amount of dollars. All that with no slicks, smoking tires down the dragstrip. I personally would rather have an old Mope than than a fart machine. Sorry, but 4 cylinders with aftermarket exhaust will always sound like fart machines to me, no matter how fast they are.

well if you want to start throwing non street legal cars in the equation, why not stick a big block on a sand rail?

I never said the fastest car in the world is a 4 cylinder (wild misinterpretation of my point), just said that I am not close minded enough to not give respect when respect is do. So people are so narrow minded they can't see that.

Why not stick a quad turbo honda civic motor pushing 70 lbs of boost & a fart can pipe on a sandrail? The big block thing has been done, they are outlaws and A Altereds. I think the thing that ruins the mystique of the tuner car is the people that think their car is fast cause they slam it and put stickers on it. Sam, remember that Honda Civic we pulled up next to when we were in the Chevelle? That is what I am talking about. Most people with a Civic or Neon & a Chrome tip think their car is a racecar. I think the fast foreign cars are cool ( I worked on German exotics for a year and a half). But all the stickers and ground effects and dubs are for what?? And my personal favorite, the neon light. Neon lights are for casinos. Another one of my favorites I saw yesterday, the fake dual exhaust on a Ford Focus. Held on with a hose clamp, no less.

 

[Sam Simpson]

that is the problem, people lump all imported cars into civics. If you look at the original purpose of this post, he was showing some real fast cars. Not showing lowered civics. So I don't even know why that was even brought into this post.