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I HAVE NOTICED THAT A FEW OF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO LOWER YOR TRUCK. WELL I HAVE A FEW TRICKS THAT I HAVE USED ON ALL THREE OF MY TRUCKS AND THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THEM WITH YOU. TO DO THE FRONT YOU BELIEVE UNTIL YOU LOOK AT A PAIR, BUT I USE 1 TON TRUCK LOWER CONTROL ARM AND THE 1 TON COIL SPRINGS. THE REASON FOR THESE LOWER CONTROL ARMS IS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT A 2 &1/2" SPRING POCKET THIS LOWERS THE TRUCK ABOUT 4 & 1/2". TO PUT THESE CONTROL ARMS ON YOU WILL HAVE TO DRILL THE MOUNT WHERE THE CONTROL ARM BOLTS TO THE FRAME AND USE THE BOLT FROM THE 1 TON TRUCK . YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TO CUT THE MOUNT WHERE YOUR BUMP STOP BOLTS TO ABOUT AN INCH & WELD A STEEL PLATE TO THE REST OF THE MOUNT AND PUT ON A FLAT SNUBBER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BALL JOINTS. THE BALL JOINTS FROM THE 1 TON CONTROL FITS IN THE HALF TO SPINDLE. IF YOU WANT TO GO AN IN LOWER USE THE STOCK SPRING FROM THE HALF TON. BUT, I DO RECOMEND THAT IF YOU DO USE THESE CONTROL ARMS THAT YOU ADD SOME BRACING TO THE LOWER CONTROL ARM. THE BRACING KEEPS THE CONTROL ARM FROM FOLDING IF YOU TEND TO BOTTOM OUT. YOU CAN DO THIS IN A FEW HOURS ON A WEEKEND. THE REAR IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD EITHER FLIP IT OR USE DROP SHACKLES FOR A CHEVY TRUCK & PULL LEAF SPRINGS. I HAVE DONE BOTH AND HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER. IF I EVER DO THIS DROP TO A DODGE TRUCK AGAIN I WILL TAKE PICTURES & POST THEM. |
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2002, 02:32:02 PM » |
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Hey man good info but next time don't use the CAPS LOCK !!!! You trying to scream out about it ? Thanx for the post and will make a good FAQ . Will see if we can put your info therre after awhile once the FAQ is back and going again .
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2002, 02:36:05 PM » |
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Sorry but it's just easier for type in caps. I'm not a very good typist.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2002, 03:29:37 PM » |
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VERY interesting! Thank you very much for the info. I bought some Chisholm drop coils from a friend for up front and I just did a flip out back. I'm looking to really slam this pig. I cut 1/2 of a coil off of the drop springs already and I was just about to go cut them down more because the back is lower than the front right now. I'm kind of concearned about getting a worse ride from cutting down the springs anymore. It'll only be for a few months though because I'm planning on bagging it in May and deeper spring pockets don't have much of an advantage when it comes to ease of air bag installation. That is definately a great tip though and is a HECK of a lot less expensive than the $250 or so that Chisholm charges for pretty much the same product. do you have any pics of your truck or any of the ones you've dropped. If you do please post them. I'd like to check them out. This is my pig. I've just started on her. I have a few more things planned. I just want to make it a clean, fun daily driver that can still tow my slammed Nissan to shows.  |
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2002, 09:06:07 PM » |
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Replying to this partially to keep it alive. I had a few questions. I know that we have two threads going here that are similar. But I am still unsure of which model year we are talking about that is a direct replacement for the 1/2 ton pickups?
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2002, 09:39:36 AM » |
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the control arms from any year one ton will work on any year half ton. the control arms that i used came from mid 80's one ton & put on my 70's model truck.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2002, 08:13:25 AM » |
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What do you mean by requiring added bracing to the control arms? My truck has the strut rods welded to the lower control arms that locate the arm longitudinally in the vehicle. Wouldn't I have to either cut that strut rod off and weld it onto the 1-ton one or would the 1-ton LCA come with its own strut rod that will bolt into my existing strut rod mount? Is that the bracing you speak of or is there something else?
I've heard of people using 1-ton coil springs to lift their trucks on the 94+ 4wd Rams. How much total drop does the combination of 1-ton LCAs and 1-ton coils give you? I'd imagine the 1-ton coils are significantly stiffer than the 1/2's right? If so, that's definitely what I want to do...there isn't such a thing as too stiff IMHO.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2002, 01:50:16 PM » |
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UHHHHH! If your going to go though all that ,why dont you just buy the lower contol arms?
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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2002, 02:36:53 PM » |
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the lower control arms from a 1 ton, would lower your truck if you only use the 1/2 ton springs. my guess is that the 1 ton springs are taller and that't why you'd need the recessed spring pocket, otherwise, they'd be an inch or two taller than if they used 1/2 ton parts. what about 3/4 tons? they'd have hard springs but 1/2 ton size. if you want really soft, go with springs from a short bed 1/2 ton, probably from the 70's, they'd be the softest.
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2002, 03:48:25 PM » |
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ramchargin88 the bracing that i was talking about was to the control arm itself. at the point where it mounts to the frame the control arm is in the shape of a u. this is where i saying to add some bracing if the 1/2 coil was used. in other words box in the control arm on the bottom side to give it added strength.
the reason i say this is from experience. i don't tend to let any grass grow under my feet when i drive.
i had this set up on my truck for the first time and there is this stretch of highway that has a few slight dips in the highway for about 3-4 miles. i was traveling across this stretch at about 80-85 mph. the truck was taking the dips fine it never touched the ground but one time. this one time hit folded the control arm at the mount. i shouldn't say folded, i really don't know how to describe it.
let put it this way the u shape became the shape of the letter I. i was still able to drive the truck the the control arm squeezed together across the bushing sleeve. the bushing was fine the truck rode fine but i didn't trust it that way for very long. so off to the junk yard i went to find another control arm. this time i welded in some plates to strenghten this area of the lower control arm.
hey estwingr i just may take you up on that offer to help with posting pictures. i still trying to the hang of playing with computers.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2002, 12:55:23 AM » |
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got this from Cbody...
OK, here goes..........The #'s are the hollander # for the lower control arm..........hope this helps. I think next time I might just snap a digital pic of the info
'72-'91, 1/2 ton........................................# 760
1/3/91-'93 1/2 ton......................................1042
'72-'81 3/4 ton w/3300lb axle........................760
'72-'81 3/4 ton w/4000lb axle........................761
'82-'88 3/4 ton...all.......................................760
'89-'91 3/4 ton w/3300lb axle.........................760
'89-'91 3/4 ton w/4000lb axle.........................761
1/3/91-'93 3/4 ton w/3300 axle.....................1042
1/3/91-'93 3/4 ton w/4000 axle.....................1043
'72-'81 1 ton.....all.......................................761
'82-'88 1 ton w/3300lb axle...........................760
'82-'88 1 ton w/4000lb axle...........................761
'89-'91 1 ton w/3300lb axle...........................760
'89-'91 1 ton w/4000lb axle............................761
1/3/91-'93 1 ton w/3300 axle........................1042
1/3/91-'93 1 ton w/4000 axle........................1043
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2002, 03:56:08 AM » |
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'72-'91, 1/2 ton........................................# 760
1/3/91-'93 1/2 ton......................................1042
1/3/91-'93 3/4 ton w/3300 axle.....................1042
1/3/91-'93 3/4 ton w/4000 axle.....................1043
'89-'91 1 ton w/3300lb axle...........................760
'89-'91 1 ton w/4000lb axle............................761
1/3/91-'93 1 ton w/3300 axle........................1042
1/3/91-'93 1 ton w/4000 axle........................1043
Looks like the 91-93 rams are out, since they already use the
same size control arm as a 1 ton.
If this is true, a dropped a arm would result in no drop. These Rams were as tall as the duallies and stock 4x4s as well so they need all the help they can get!
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2002, 06:12:17 AM » |
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Maybe I am not reading this right but it looks like
My 90 half ton is out too but that is what it looks
like to me
'72-'91, 1/2 ton........................................ 760
'72-'81 3/4 ton w/3300lb axle........................ 760
'89-'91 1 ton w/3300lb axle........................... 760
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2002, 07:02:53 AM » |
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hey guys.. this sounds like the way to go if your gonna lower your truck.. I had a 86 Dodge D-50 that was lowered with 3" blocks in the rear, and Heated springs in the front..( it would scrape a tennis ball on the highway!! ) whatever you do, don't heat the springs.. really screwes up the ride.. unless you like the bounce bounce feelin..no suspension what so ever in the front.. after about 1 year of driving, went to dealer and got new springs and removed the blocks..  |
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Kinda curious here. What benifits are there to lowering your truck? I can see maby if your handicapped and need a lower vehicle to get into but other than that I see no point to it. I guess the lowered trucks make good paint scrapers for those annoying speed bumps. Other than being oh so cool, whats the point?
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2002, 11:04:58 AM » |
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LeatherNuts - you're opening up a can of worms! LOL What purpose is there to lifting a truck? I see TONS of jacked up 4x4's that NEVER get dirty. What's the purpose?
I lower my trucks because I like the way they look and for the fact that when they're done they don't look like anything else on the road. Why do I have to have 14" between my frame and the ground when all I need is 3? When lowered the right way a dropped truck handles better.
For me the WHY boils down to BECAUSE I CAN!
I also love the family aspect of it. I go to lots of truck shows every year and each one is like a big 'ol disfunctional family reunion. The trucks are great but it basically just gives us a reason to hang out, drink some beer and have a great time.
Taz - I hear ya on the heated coils. I had an '89 Mighty Max with dropped spindles and one coil cut off up front. Out back I ran a monoleaf with 4" drop blocks and air shocks. It rode like ass but looked hella cool. Then again it never rode all that nice stock.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2002, 12:41:03 PM » |
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Other than being oh so cool, whats the point? because "STOCK SUCKS" |
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LeatherNuts - you're opening up a can of worms! LOL What purpose is there to lifting a truck? I see TONS of jacked up 4x4's that NEVER get dirty. What's the purpose?
I also love the family aspect of it. I go to lots of truck shows every year and each one is like a big 'ol disfunctional family reunion. The trucks are great but it basically just gives us a reason to hang out, drink some beer and have a great time.
Many, NOT MOST, lift trucks for off roading clearance. Your right about many 4X4s never getting dirty though. Getting stuck in a friends 4x2 we encountered a Jeep Grand Cherokee owner that refuesed to pull us out cuz he didnt want to damage his paint or possibly suspension.  If lowering the truck gives you an opportunity to get together with the familia and have some good times, than its good to go. I prefer to be up high when muddin but thats me preference. Keep em scraping.....  |
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2002, 03:43:20 AM » |
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I want to lower my truck but at the same time increase handling ability. I was wondering if Eibach makes springs for a 99 Dodge Dakota. And can you even buy some sort of performance springs for a truck with leaf springs? Forgive me if this is a stupid question but I'm still learning, Thanks! |
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belltech or djm will help you the dakota is one of the number one trucks to lower these days anti sway bars will help after the drop but then i am still learning too
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2002, 01:05:50 PM » |
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Hotchkis (sp) sells everything for the 97+ Dakotas to make them handle well.
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Fletch69z do you find what you were looking for for your dakota "where did everybody go"
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Kinda curious here. What benifits are there to lowering your truck? I can see maby if your handicapped and need a lower vehicle to get into but other than that I see no point to it. I guess the lowered trucks make good paint scrapers for those annoying speed bumps. Other than being oh so cool, whats the point?
Thanks for being accepting of us lowered guys, just like off road guys like the clearance we lowered guys like the looks, and it is easier for shorter people to get in (like my wife) without hanging on the door and getting them out of alignment, and a lot of us like the better on road handling a properly lowered 2x4 can provide. Back in MS lifted trucks are for looks mostly since a lifted truck cant fit under the trees on most of our hunting trails, and mudding doesn't require a lot of clearance. So we both do it for functionality and looks! |
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« Reply #23 on: May 7, 2002, 11:09:35 AM » |
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i personally like the look of lowered trucks better than lifted. don't get me wrong there are some lifted trucks that are damn nice. but also a lowered truck is looks & more so function for me.
the reason that i lower my trucks is because of easability to get in. i have a disability called spinabifida. i use crutches to walk & use a wheelchair to get around the swap meets and junkyards.
you see it is kinda hard for me to get in a truck that sits three to four feet off of the ground.
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spent some time at the yard today i found that a 1995 front coil for a 1500 1/2 ton is only about 3/4 inches taller than the front coils on a pre 94 half ton so in thory to lower the front or you older ram just get drop coils for a newer ram for less than the chislom price that is just what i found out today
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but what is the diameter difference, or is there any?
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the diameter is the same not even a 1/4" different
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this is for slimmer i have found a 1ton at a local auto salvage i have a 1990 d150 and i was wondering if these 1992 arms from the one ton will fit
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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2002, 05:56:45 AM » |
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ok guys this is going to sound funny but Iike to lift my trucks rather then lower them, I lower cars instead. Had a 91 honda civic with 1.5" ground clearance dang thing scrapped on railroad tracks. But the reason I was writing was to find out if any one of you out there has lowered a newer Ram, a 94-01 ram 1500 v10 or diesel or a 2500 anything. I'm looking for suspention parts to lift the frount of my truck so I figured some of you may still have your old stock stuff if you lowered a nwer Ram. If any of you have anything or know anyone who does please IM me. Thnx alot guys. keep scapin
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swwaltw, i'm not sure, but i do believe they would fit. the 90-93 trucks are pretty much identical other than the grill. i would have to look at it to give you a definite yes or no answer.
there's not too many dodge trucks in the yards around here that new of a truck. at least none that you can roll through. i'll look at some trucks in parking lots around here & do some comparison and get back to you.
saw960, i do believe there are suspension parts that will lift your truck, i see too many around here that sit above stock height. i'm pretty good aqantances with bill from extensive metal works, he does air ride suspension for all the chevy boys around here, the only time i saw a dodge in his shop was when they put that truck flat on the ground, this was a 3/4 ton truck, but that was about a year ago. other than that i have not seen anybody else drop a late model dodge around here.
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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2002, 06:09:36 PM » |
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well that sucks I could have used those parts they more then likely would have done just what I wanted.
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2002, 03:54:33 AM » |
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has anyone found a one ton yet to check out the arms
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I have a 93' D150 and i want to lower it. Right now it sits pretty evenly if not than the rear might be lower by an 1" because I had new shocks and springs put on all around. If i got the chisholm 3/5 kits wouldnt the rear be lower than the front? Someone said that i could use the drop coils for a 95' Ram 1500 1/2 ton but, would i have to do anythng else like different shocks? I can't find any flip kits for the rear end so what could I do with that? Im sorry for all the questions but im new at the suspension work I did all the body work (shaved taillights, welded in roll pan with 67' firebird lights, shaved tailgate handle and tailgate skin..) but now I need help to finish this project off any help would be appriciated
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2002, 05:18:21 AM » |
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i dont think that 94+ ram control arms will work put the coils will the spindles dont work either the rear is close enough the same that a flip kit will work but i am no expert
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2002, 01:47:57 PM » |
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so are you saying that the kit for the 94+ trucks will fit mine can anyone confirm this??
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2002, 08:52:04 PM » |
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so are you saying that the kit for the 94+ trucks will fit mine can anyone confirm this??
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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2002, 06:09:25 AM » |
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since we are talking about lowering our trucks for better ride and road handling does any one know of sway bars
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2002, 06:38:36 AM » |
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if they sell a 4" drop coil for the 94+ rams then could we lower our trucks 3" in front with out any alignment problems
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2002, 08:24:00 PM » |
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control arms on the way
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« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2002, 01:00:03 AM » |
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has anyone found a one ton yet to check out the arms My "donor" '74 3/4 ton has same a-arms as 1/2 tons. My parents' '90 1 ton has "pocketed" a-arms so they would lower a 1/2 ton. Other years may differ and that 3/4 had some other mods but I believe suspension was stock. Also, regarding that diagram, Dodges have the shock mount built into that plate that goes under the axle before you flip it. Chevys have shock mounts on the axle itself. So use the junkyard tip I told you about.  |
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« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2002, 01:04:37 AM » |
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Hey man good info but next time don't use the CAPS LOCK !!!! You trying to scream out about it ? Thanx for the post and will make a good FAQ . Will see if we can put your info therre after awhile once the FAQ is back and going again .
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2002, 05:36:20 AM » |
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i would not recomand the AIM control arms unless you have patiance i had to get mine reworked so they would work but besides all the weld splatter and burs and holes not being the right size it turned out ok i think i havent gone in for an alignment yet but will when the back is done oya and the charged me twice so good luck and cheeto where are those spindles
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2002, 08:07:28 PM » |
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The front of my '93 is slammed using cut down Chisholm coils. I haven't had it aligned yet. I've put about 3,000 miles on it since I've lowered it. No pulling or tire wear. I don't reccomend this though. I'm not being smart in doing this, just really dumb and lazy. Whenever you drop the front you should get it aligned.
The axle flip how-to was done by yours truely. If you can work a wrench and yourself or a friend can even sort-of weld you can do it. It was my first shot at welding and it came out fine. Thousands of miles and not a single problem.
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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2002, 04:54:53 PM » |
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lowered fans look what i found at dodgetalk.com
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can any one confirm the hollander # for 1 ton vans? hey they got d60 in rear for the 4x4 guys and they MAY have the control arms for the 2 wd guys. also what about the rumor about dakota spindles? i truley wish i could just look my self and give some great report but my local junk yards arent the best equipped  |
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2002, 09:20:14 AM » |
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i aslo found this little pick of dodge at cardomain
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2002, 09:58:52 AM » |
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smooooth.....
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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2002, 01:10:50 PM » |
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Joe you can use the control arms from the van, you woukd have to drill the holes for the strut rod.
If you use the control arms from a van you can use them from a half ton van also. they just have to have the spring pocket.
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