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« Reply #700 on: April 14, 2005, 06:07:54 PM » |
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It's done! And, it looks about how I wanted. Now for some 15x10's and fat tires in back, smaller rims and tires in the front. Yeah right maybe if I save up for a year, lol. One thing that is puzzling, though. When it forst came down off the jack, it was pretty well negative cambered, which I expected. I back up and down the driveway a couple of times, now it looks overpositive? The upper A-arm adjusters are very tight, so what's the deal?,,,,,Cruisin.
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« Reply #701 on: April 15, 2005, 01:20:22 PM » |
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Crusin', did you only use the AIM lower control arms? That is what I am planning now. I want to order ASAP. I have been trying to find Chisholm and am not haveing any luck. I talked with them last fall, but now it is the wrong phone number. Does anyone have a number or address?
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« Reply #702 on: April 21, 2005, 07:30:25 AM » |
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I HAVE NOTICED THAT A FEW OF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO LOWER YOR TRUCK. WELL I HAVE A FEW TRICKS THAT I HAVE USED ON ALL THREE OF MY TRUCKS AND THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THEM WITH YOU. TO DO THE FRONT YOU BELIEVE UNTIL YOU LOOK AT A PAIR, BUT I USE 1 TON TRUCK LOWER CONTROL ARM AND THE 1 TON COIL SPRINGS. THE REASON FOR THESE LOWER CONTROL ARMS IS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT A 2 &1/2" SPRING POCKET THIS LOWERS THE TRUCK ABOUT 4 & 1/2". TO PUT THESE CONTROL ARMS ON YOU WILL HAVE TO DRILL THE MOUNT WHERE THE CONTROL ARM BOLTS TO THE FRAME AND USE THE BOLT FROM THE 1 TON TRUCK . YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TO CUT THE MOUNT WHERE YOUR BUMP STOP BOLTS TO ABOUT AN INCH & WELD A STEEL PLATE TO THE REST OF THE MOUNT AND PUT ON A FLAT SNUBBER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BALL JOINTS. THE BALL JOINTS FROM THE 1 TON CONTROL FITS IN THE HALF TO SPINDLE. IF YOU WANT TO GO AN IN LOWER USE THE STOCK SPRING FROM THE HALF TON. BUT, I DO RECOMEND THAT IF YOU DO USE THESE CONTROL ARMS THAT YOU ADD SOME BRACING TO THE LOWER CONTROL ARM. THE BRACING KEEPS THE CONTROL ARM FROM FOLDING IF YOU TEND TO BOTTOM OUT. YOU CAN DO THIS IN A FEW HOURS ON A WEEKEND. THE REAR IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD EITHER FLIP IT OR USE DROP SHACKLES FOR A CHEVY TRUCK & PULL LEAF SPRINGS. I HAVE DONE BOTH AND HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER. IF I EVER DO THIS DROP TO A DODGE TRUCK AGAIN I WILL TAKE PICTURES & POST THEM.
just so i understand i am a first time do it yourself slammer if i use the 4000 lb 761 lower arms on my 82 dodge d 150 which has 760 lowers i would need to use the one ton springs and it would give a stffer ride and only 2 in drop but if i use the 1/2 ton springs it would give the same ride but without beefing up the arms might stand to buckle uner the pressure? now for the rear can i use 99 and up for shackles i would rather not flip the axle i was told to use a longer shackle to get the drop.?? any help would be nice No you don't want to use the 4000# axle. You want the 3600# axle . the 4000# has the bigger ball joint & will not fit. If you use the stock half ton spring it will give you about a 5" drop and have the same ride as stock. with the one ton or 3/4 ton spring it will give you roughly a couple inch drop. I used 73-up chevy drop shackles to lower the rear. you need to beef up the control arm if you use the 1/2 ton spring. because it will buckle on the pavement when going over bumps in the road, not under pressure.
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« Reply #703 on: April 21, 2005, 08:08:22 AM » |
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That's weird, I could have sworn I answered. Sorry about that! I chopped one coil off the front, and in the back I used modified 88-98 Chevy shackles. I could not do the full rear drop unfortunately, as the drivers side shackle would have rubbed the fuel filler tube, and vent.I didn't want to deal with that later, so I just used the bottom hole. The bottom hole was 2 1/2" taller than the stock shackle. It lowered the back just enough, IMO. Now it has the nose down stance, but not like the 31's in back and 235/75 in front look, lol. That was a style here in TX, believe it or not. If you had a 2wd truck you put the biggest mud tire you could on the back, and left the front stock. It was pretty funny looking, like a mud dragster.,,,,Cruisin Before! After!! 
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« Reply #704 on: April 21, 2005, 01:27:11 PM » |
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« Reply #705 on: April 21, 2005, 03:25:49 PM » |
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And as of ten minutes ago, it has no fender emblems. Pried them off, sanded, welded up the holes and ground them down, and primed for future bodywork.,,,,Cruisin
A single pull Autoloc for the drivers side, and shaved door handles are next. I'll either do that or use the old kustomizer trick, leave the door locks and connect them to the door latch.
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« Reply #706 on: April 22, 2005, 01:55:53 PM » |
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I could not do the full rear drop unfortunately, as the drivers side shackle would have rubbed the fuel filler tube, and vent.I didn't want to deal with that later, so I just used the bottom hole.
I did the same drop as you. One coil in front and chevy shackles. I was worried about the same thing so I wrapped my filler hose with a 1 liter sode bottle and then covered that with some 2" exhaust pipe that I cut 1/3 out of lengthwise. It's held on with cable ties. I crawl under there about every other month and there is still no sign of wear.
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« Reply #707 on: April 22, 2005, 01:59:28 PM » |
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hey cruisin, thanks for the message...i forgot about the door lock trick. im going to hopefully get that done on my driver door this weekend. ill hook it up before i weld it up though to make sure it works....later.
and m2, thanks for the filler wrap tip, ill try to remember that when i get to workin on mine in the coming months. things have been slow, i just spent $700 to get the thing running again [computer burned out amongst other problems].
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« Reply #708 on: April 22, 2005, 04:24:08 PM » |
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Hmmm, I might go buy another set of shackles later, my buddy sells them to me for $37 with tax. Not a real big loss in my book. First I have to get my other friend a set for his 04 F-150. He's been bugging me about that, hehe.
SB88, I'm not 100% certain the door lock thing will work. I have to get into the doors and check it out. I'll post my results later. The one good thing about the late eighties (and possibly others) Is the indention around the door handles. All I have to do is take off the door handles, cut a piece of sheet metal that shape, and weld it in. No big time cutting and welding to do.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #709 on: April 25, 2005, 01:35:56 PM » |
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well, i got the lock hooked up to the latch. it pops it open really easy and the result is nice. hopefully this afternoon or sometime this week ill shave the handle off. im going to cut a 3x9" section out and then weld in a filler plate. ill also weld up that vent area on the door jamb [plastic vent broke] and the lock system is completely removed so ill fill the lock knob hole too. ill try get some pics when its all done.
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« Reply #710 on: April 25, 2005, 02:52:42 PM » |
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Sweet. So no big deal then? Any bending or cutting of the actuator rod needed? Remotes are nice and all, but I prefer a mechanical connection just in case. Old vehicles are notorious for dead batteries.,,,,Cruisin
You might also be able to use a slick older car lock as well. Some of the old ones had flip open covers for the keyhole, etc....
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« Reply #711 on: April 25, 2005, 02:55:05 PM » |
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And be careful about filling up door and cab vents. I remember my Dad got this new Ford work truck. The cab was so tight your ears popped when you shut the door, lol.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #712 on: April 25, 2005, 08:46:58 PM » |
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Crusin, thanks for the info. Hopefullt, I will be doing the lower front this weekend.
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« Reply #713 on: April 25, 2005, 08:54:01 PM » |
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While you're getting parts, get some energy suspension or similar bumpstops. I bought some, and ended up trimming them down to about an inch thick. I was riding on the factory ones. I have not driven it since they were put in, but it's GOT to be better!....Cruisin
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« Reply #714 on: April 26, 2005, 01:14:29 PM » |
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Well, I ordered 2" lower coils from Eaton Suspension yesterday the they were delievered today. Quick service. Now I want to start tearing into the front end. I will take your advice and add bumpstops. Also going to change tie rods, ball joints and shocks. That should keep me busy for awhile. Thanks again for the advice.
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« Reply #715 on: April 26, 2005, 01:25:18 PM » |
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got it all welded up. warped the door a little bit, nothing major. not wavy, just curves in a bit. the only mods i had to do to the linkage was this: 1. take the stock power lock linkage out. 2. take the lock cylinder linkage out. 3. set the two next to each other, you'll see that the lock one is alot smaller. i just cut some of that off the end that connects to the lock and did the same to the other linkage. 4. the only thing was, i made it about 1/8" [maybe 1/4"] shorter, that way it wont bind up and/or be too tall. 5. i pulled out all the linkages except the inner door handle and the one i made. ill try to snap some pics today and have them up by thursday [maybe sooner]. the weld i made on the linkage was a nasty weld, but its strong as hell. i didnt bother grinding it down since itll be inside the door.
does anybody have the plastic cover that goes over the hole in the door jamb. i broke mine [fell out as i closed the door] and it looks like a bit of a bitch to shave it smooth.
and now for an actual suspension question: do you think i remove the coil, cut it and put it back without having to swap any parts [ball joints, bushings, ect.]? i have new shocks in [about 2 months old], really nice ones [10 stage valving, great ride]. and out back, do you think i could pull the overload leaf without having to get new u-bolts? i would like to change them but dont know where i'd get new ones. any help on that. i want about a 2/4 maybe 3/5" drop, but cant do that much up front [wheels wont go that far into the wheel wells.] the backs will tuck all the way until they rub the tops, but the fronts are kind of tight. thanks in advance for the help.
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« Reply #716 on: April 26, 2005, 02:54:15 PM » |
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Just came in from the garage and shot blaster on all the bolts and nuts. When changing to the lower coils, I want to change tie rods and ball joints. Is the special tool needed to separate the ball joints or can I just take off the nut and lower the a-arm or use a pickle fork? Is another special tool needed to install ball joints? Getting anxious to get this thing lowered since I got the 2" drop coils. Thanks for any help. Garry
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« Reply #717 on: April 26, 2005, 09:10:51 PM » |
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Installing the uppers is a bit of a pain, as they screw in and out. I went to my local auto parts and ordered the special socket and 1/2" to 3/4" adapter. You still need a cheater pipe, a 4 foot long piece of 1.5 inch water pipe worked fine for me. Believe me you do not want to do them with a pipe wrench welded to angle iron, which is what I did on one side. Took me about 4-5 hours incl. taking breaks, to keep a level head, lol. The lowers press in and out easily enough with a loaner tool from an auto parts store. Has a giant C clamp, and some fittings, etc. As for bumpstops, they already have them from the factory, you need shorter ones. Mine were snug against the lower control arms. HItting these wide speed bumps we have, felt like it would lift then drop, with no travel.,,,,Cruisin
I got one side done on the shaved handles also. I used the door handle rod, put a new bend in it, cut it down, and drilled out the lever piece on the door lock. You're right, opens WAY easy. One little turn to the left, and pop. Door's open.
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« Reply #718 on: April 27, 2005, 08:02:01 AM » |
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SB88 A good rule is to always change the u bolts. They tend to stretch when installed and will not be up to par. Any spring shop sould be able to hook you up with new ones.
Remsgem. AZ has the socket you need for the upper ball joint on loaner. I used an impact driver to take mine out. You can use a pickle fork to seperate the spindle from the ball joint. I used an AZ loaner press when I did mine.
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« Reply #719 on: April 27, 2005, 08:14:09 AM » |
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AZ gave me a blank stare when I asked? With as many Dodges that are running the streets here, you'd think they would have been a little more knowledgeable.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #720 on: April 27, 2005, 11:34:42 AM » |
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well i snapped a few pics of the setup on my door with my crappy digi cam. here ya go. in the first you can see my un-ground filler. the 2nd is my unground [no need to, its in the door] linkage [ill make a new one at a later date] and the 3rd is the door panel [note the lack of a lock at all, no need for it]
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« Reply #721 on: April 27, 2005, 10:33:02 PM » |
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Well, I spent the day attempting to get the upper ball joint out on the drivers side (didn't get very far). I got use of the tool (socket), but have to return it tomorrow. Called around and no one has any to rent or loan out. Looking to buy one but not having any luck. But tomorrow is another day and more time to try again.
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« Reply #722 on: April 28, 2005, 01:37:18 AM » |
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1/2" ratchet, and a four foot piece of pipe. I still had to push pretty good. Good luck!!,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #723 on: May 3, 2005, 02:03:24 PM » |
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Well, I got the socket for the upper ball joint and a press for the bottom. But I can't get the top out. Tried my air gun at 120 even. Those suckers are ON there! Also tried a breaking bar with a pipe, no luck that way either. Any ideas? Those lowered coils look great in my dining room, but would rather have them on the truck.
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Impact will not budge it, no matter how high it's set. How long of a pipe did you use? Mine eventually got easier to turn. You're turning counter-clockwise, right? Sorry, had to ask.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #727 on: May 3, 2005, 04:11:54 PM » |
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using a 3 feet pipe. I have a Dakota that needs a carb sitting next to it, so, there isn't much room.
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« Reply #728 on: May 3, 2005, 04:16:30 PM » |
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Try the pressure jerk. Not sure if that's the proper term, haha. stand up, put pressure on the pipe, then jerk it with all your body weight.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #729 on: May 4, 2005, 04:41:01 PM » |
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My son and I tried again today to remove the upper ball joint. We had the impact socket and impact reducer and used a 1/2" breaking bar. Well, we snapped the breaking bar. So, guess now is the time to send the truck to a garage and pay a bundle. This thing better get a total 2" drop with the new coils after all of this.
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« Reply #730 on: May 4, 2005, 05:02:32 PM » |
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Man, you must have the worst stuck upper balljoint of all time. I feel for you. Sorry about that:(,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #731 on: May 5, 2005, 10:44:01 AM » |
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Just for the sake of asking. Did you break the spindle loose from the ball joint before you started removing it?
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« Reply #732 on: May 5, 2005, 11:12:43 AM » |
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That wouldn't make a whole lot of difference would it? Not trying be a smartass, just curious. It would make that nut easier to remove if you did it first, but otherwise the balljoint should spin freely in the part you're trying to remove? ,,,,Cruisin
I do see what you mean though. At a certain point you would have seperate them to even get it apart.
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« Reply #733 on: May 6, 2005, 09:42:07 AM » |
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I did break the ball joint loose first with a pickle fork first. Did the top and bottom joints. I am having a friend at a garage try on Wednesday, but he is having doubts if he wil be able to get them off. He suggested having a backup plan. That would be to get another set of upper arms and installing the new ball joints in those. I'm not sure about taking off the top arms and what will happen with the coils when I do. All of this started to put 2" lower coils in.
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« Reply #734 on: May 6, 2005, 12:19:53 PM » |
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As long as you keep pressure on the lower arms while the top arms are off, you'll have no problems. I would say minimum to be safe, is to have the frame on jackstands in front, and a jack under each lower. If you only have one jack, I would only do one at a time. You might be able to prop something under the other side, but it's not very safe. Your best best is to find/rent a spring compressor, and take the coils out completely, since you're changing them anyway? As for putting the new shorter ones back in, you may not need the compressor at all. I cut one coil off of mine, and they went back just by lining them up and jacking the lower arm into position. Above all be safe, keep pressure on the lower arm at all times, unless you have a compressor in place, and/or the tension is relieved.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #735 on: May 6, 2005, 12:29:07 PM » |
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And do NOT, EVER, buy a spring compressor from a flea market, or discount tool dealer. I pulled a coil out of my Falcon once. The scond I set the spring down on the ground, the hooks on one end broke off. I believe the only thing that saved me from injury, is that the spring didn't have a solid surface to launch itself from. It released in both directions at once, cancelling out any movement. I learned my lesson the hard way. It could have just as easily broke while it was still in the spring seat on the car. I try not to think about that, lol. ,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #736 on: May 6, 2005, 01:15:46 PM » |
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wow. close call. good luck on the upper swap. i would suggest removing the coil too, just to be safe.
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« Reply #737 on: May 9, 2005, 08:13:34 AM » |
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the coils will be coning out and replaced with 2" lower ones. I do have compressors but am having a problem getting them between the coils. just like that old saying -anything that can go wrong, will. the bolts on the upper arm are rusted, shot some blaster on them, but didn't seem to help. guess they will have to be cut off. after this is done, i will be putting hangers on the back. already put lower shackles on the back last summer. you are right about those coils and the danger involved. sure don't want to have my head taken off.
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« Reply #738 on: May 9, 2005, 08:33:52 AM » |
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If you have the type with the loose hinged hooks, it's fairly easy. Put the threaded set into the spring through the shock hole seperate from the shaft. You kinda need three hands, reach in from the sides of the spring and feed it up towards the top. Hook the hoks over the spring, and then spin it up the spring until you can't go anymore, and the center block is pointing straight down. Once you get that piece in, then put the threaded shaft with the other set of hooks in through the bottom as well. Thread it in slowly and continue moving the hooks around until it looks straight, then tighten the shaft through the bottom shock hole with a socket. The main trick is to put the threaded hook set in seperate, then assemble the compressor inside the spring. if you keep the lower arm jacked up close to how it would sit on the ground, you don't have to compress it that much. You just have to hold the spring at that length, and then lower the jack under the lower arm to remove the spring.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #739 on: May 11, 2005, 01:26:49 PM » |
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Well, the good news is that the front is lower with new lower coils, ball joints, tie rods, upper control arms, bushings and shocks. The problem is that the shocks are to long. Does anyone have somewhere to get 2" lower gas shocks? I tried Summit and they didn't have anything for an '85. Thanks. Garry
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« Reply #740 on: May 12, 2005, 12:41:39 PM » |
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i think someone had said something about chevy or ford shocks working. what i would do is firugre the stock shocks fully compressed and fully extended lenghts and subtract 2" from each. then call up summit or stylin' concepts and tell them your specs and that you need shocks. hell, you could even do that at napa i bet.
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« Reply #741 on: May 12, 2005, 02:10:12 PM » |
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Well, the front is lowered, but droped more that I wanted. It is about 3" instead of 2". Stock shocdks have only 1" travel and are hitting. I'm going to lower the back and see what it does to the front. After talking to Advance and the company that made the coils, both said that stock shocks should work. Now I am droping the back. I already have 2" lower AIM shackles on the rear and now are going to remove some leaves. Question is which ones should I remove and how many? Can I remove the overload and the next one up? I want an additional 2" drop, totalling 4". But as anything else, I just sheered of a stud on the lower shock mount. Hope that the stud is replaceable and don't have to buy the entire bottom spring mount. Guess I just wasn't meant to have the truck lower. But, it WILL be.
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« Reply #742 on: May 12, 2005, 02:11:41 PM » |
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I called Summit about lower shocks and they had nothing. Gave me a company in California named Deutsch or something like that. They do have any type of shock needed.
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« Reply #743 on: May 12, 2005, 04:28:16 PM » |
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On the bolt going through the middle of the leaf springs, is the nut separate from the top leaf? To remove leaves, do you have to take out that center bolt or can I just remove a nut on the bottom?
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« Reply #744 on: May 12, 2005, 10:21:04 PM » |
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Where did everyone get their Chisholm and Eaton springs from? I was going to get some Belltech Chevy drop spindles and wanted to go lower in the front too. How much of the coil should I cut off to get approximately 2" of drop?
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« Reply #745 on: May 13, 2005, 07:42:19 AM » |
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« Reply #746 on: May 13, 2005, 07:43:22 AM » |
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Well, depending on how sagged your springs are to begin with, one full coil. I got about 2 inches from that, and if anything the ride improved somewhat. I could just be used to it already though. You will have to remove your upper bumpstops, or more accptably buy some of the universals from Pep Boys and cut them off on the last notch. I figured out how mine handled so well at first, hehe. The stops were sitting on the lower control arms.,,,,Cruisin
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« Reply #747 on: May 13, 2005, 08:46:30 AM » |
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I got the front done, but it is just too low. Droped more than 3". The front shocks have about 1" travel. I am lowering the back now hoping to bring up the front a little. I got the axle down, shocks mounts off, and don't know whether to remove a leaf or two or thbuy the hangers from AIM. Rear leafs are available fron Eaton but cost over $400. How much will I get removing 1 or 2 leaves? Can I remove the bottom leaf or bottom 2 with the springs still on the truck? Not sure which way I want to go right now.
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« Reply #748 on: May 13, 2005, 12:11:57 PM » |
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From what I have heard on most trucks, just removing the helper spring should lower it a little less than an inch. Cruisin_RC, could you possibly measure the distance from the center of your fenderwells to the ground for me? I measured mine as it is now, with no front bumper or backseat and the front is 30" and the back is 31.5"
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Just went out and measured. The front is 27 3/4 inches. The back is right at 30. Got it aligned and inspected today and it passed. Watch out, lol,,,,Cruisin
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