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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2002, 01:16:02 PM » |
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Oh my lord that's a sweet old Ram! Reminds me a lot of Bill's.  Do the newer Ram vans have torsion bars instead of coils? I forget. |
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2002, 01:41:00 PM » |
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No they have coil springs. the vans suspension is like the trucks with upper & lower control arms with coils. the strut rod runs toward the rear of the van instead of towards the front like the trucks.
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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2002, 11:44:45 PM » |
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I've been too busy playing with the truck to get to the spindle project myself but it will happen eventually. Current ride is good for lowered truck but I'm kind of a picky bastard and I want it to ride smoother. The spindles will basically give me back 2 1/2" of ride. Can you give me a link to that truck? I'd really like to contact the owner and get some info.
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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2002, 04:34:22 AM » |
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i have that one LoFrontier on my webshots page but there was no info when i found it the one that i posted on page 1 was at cardomain.com and had it said it was baged all around
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« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2002, 06:37:24 AM » |
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who is bill and whst did he have
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2002, 07:11:24 AM » |
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I actually met Bill on here. He doesn't seem to come around much anymore though. His screen name is Rustynu612. He gave me a lot of advice on dropping my Ram and sold me the coils I have. He's from Maryland and I've met up with him a couple times. His truck is BEAUTIFUL!
His truck has air bags and a parallel 4 link with panhard bar. He's running 17" wheels. He said his slant 6 spun a bearing on the way home from a show a couple weeks ago and he's rushing to get it back together for Carlisle All Truck Nats.
I'll IM you guys his email address.
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2002, 07:28:34 AM » |
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You didn't do a How-To on doing the front?
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I HAVE NOTICED THAT A FEW OF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO LOWER YOR TRUCK. WELL I HAVE A FEW TRICKS THAT I HAVE USED ON ALL THREE OF MY TRUCKS AND THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THEM WITH YOU. TO DO THE FRONT YOU BELIEVE UNTIL YOU LOOK AT A PAIR, BUT I USE 1 TON TRUCK LOWER CONTROL ARM AND THE 1 TON COIL SPRINGS. THE REASON FOR THESE LOWER CONTROL ARMS IS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT A 2 &1/2" SPRING POCKET THIS LOWERS THE TRUCK ABOUT 4 & 1/2". TO PUT THESE CONTROL ARMS ON YOU WILL HAVE TO DRILL THE MOUNT WHERE THE CONTROL ARM BOLTS TO THE FRAME AND USE THE BOLT FROM THE 1 TON TRUCK . YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TO CUT THE MOUNT WHERE YOUR BUMP STOP BOLTS TO ABOUT AN INCH & WELD A STEEL PLATE TO THE REST OF THE MOUNT AND PUT ON A FLAT SNUBBER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BALL JOINTS. THE BALL JOINTS FROM THE 1 TON CONTROL FITS IN THE HALF TO SPINDLE. IF YOU WANT TO GO AN IN LOWER USE THE STOCK SPRING FROM THE HALF TON. BUT, I DO RECOMEND THAT IF YOU DO USE THESE CONTROL ARMS THAT YOU ADD SOME BRACING TO THE LOWER CONTROL ARM. THE BRACING KEEPS THE CONTROL ARM FROM FOLDING IF YOU TEND TO BOTTOM OUT. YOU CAN DO THIS IN A FEW HOURS ON A WEEKEND. THE REAR IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD EITHER FLIP IT OR USE DROP SHACKLES FOR A CHEVY TRUCK & PULL LEAF SPRINGS. I HAVE DONE BOTH AND HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER. IF I EVER DO THIS DROP TO A DODGE TRUCK AGAIN I WILL TAKE PICTURES & POST THEM.
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« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2002, 06:28:06 AM » |
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anti theft, because it is hard to take a 30mph corner at 60 with something that you need a ladder to get into, we like it, were short, i live in the city the pavement doesnt get that muddy, we can, its our truck, its our money, it is easier to wash
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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2002, 10:17:40 AM » |
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well, I'm not exactly short, but the ideas that make a muscle car can also make an awesome truck, when done right, they look awesome, take cheeto's truck for example, excellently done.
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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2002, 02:41:27 AM » |
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i second the motion cheeto's truck is very sweet
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« Reply #62 on: July 8, 2002, 04:16:12 PM » |
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This is underneath SLIMER'S truck(pics of his rides in truck sec.)
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« Reply #64 on: July 9, 2002, 11:37:34 AM » |
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I thought the only time you would lower a truck was if you used it for a coffin and lowered it in the hole with ya.
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« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2002, 06:25:06 AM » |
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what is a good shock for a lowered truck
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« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2002, 07:15:54 AM » |
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i think lotta guys aree using run-of-the mill rancho shox commonly seen on our 4x4 friends
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« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2002, 01:46:39 AM » |
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i want a shock that will give me a good ride and still be firm enough not to let me slam my control arms all the time on the slightest little crack in the road
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« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2002, 09:32:03 AM » |
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KYB'S u can't beat em & there lifetime warranteed. They give a good firm ride, I have them on my green truck, but have not yet put them on my club cab yet. I have found that you can use the ones that fit the 88 & up chevy truck. They are the same as the dodge truck.
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« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2002, 04:22:37 AM » |
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slimer how bad to you hit bang on your bump stops with those shocks
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« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2002, 04:25:40 AM » |
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well i got the drop done but i am rubbing the rubber off my tires on the rear fenders the are 255/55/18 and i think i might have to cut them out and tub it
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« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2002, 10:03:13 AM » |
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before you do that see if you can get it to have a nice shape, banged out with some body hammers.
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« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2002, 06:01:21 AM » |
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i almost think it would be easier to cut them out but i am going to try the hammer thing this weekend
all you lowered guys what kid of drop do you have and what tire wheel combo are you running are you ridden on your bump stops
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« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2002, 11:35:45 AM » |
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Chisholm 5" a-arms/coils in front axle flip/notch in rear. 255/45-18's with 4.5" offset (this is the key). My 17's had like 5.8" offset and rubbed the inside of the wheelwell when entering parking lots with a hard approach angle.  What bump stops?  |
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« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2002, 02:50:12 AM » |
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my wheels have a +14mm offset is that why the are so close on the front and rubbed on the rear the front doesnt rub but if i had any less bump stop they would for sure
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« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2002, 02:55:03 AM » |
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here is the link i have 5x5/1/2 14mm cant be right http://www.eaglewheels.com/167.htm |
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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2002, 06:58:29 AM » |
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14 mm is 9/16 of an inch. that can't be right. maybe from 50/50, it's +14mm.
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« Reply #77 on: July 31, 2002, 05:52:07 AM » |
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what does this mean
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off set is the distance form the center of the wheel + is away from the hub and - is to the hub i think so my wheels are 14mm off center from the hub i think that is how it works
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« Reply #79 on: August 2, 2002, 12:01:24 PM » |
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With the KYB's my truck doesnt bottom out on the bumpstops.
Offset is the distance between the mounting surface of the wheel to the outer edge of the wheel.
For example on my club cab I have 15x10 whells with a 6" offset to the rear. from the outer edge of the rear to the surface where the wheels mounts to the hub is 6".
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here's a shot of my dirty truck. it's pretty dirty in this picture, and it's not the best photo, but here goes: http://www.orionoutdoor.com/~jason/dirtyram.jpgbelltech is the place to find your lowering parts. hotchkis makes some parts belltech hasn't got around to, also. like the rear sway bar. and yes, it handles like god. it'll easily do 55 around a 25 mph marked turn without making any noise out of the tires. jason Edit: fixed the link |
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« Reply #82 on: August 2, 2002, 12:53:40 PM » |
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Nice looking truck you got there. Yeah Belltech and Hotchkiss make lowering parts...for the 94-01 Rams. Us guys with the older stuff are SOL for most of the good suspension parts. If I ever get a newer Ram I'd hope to make it look and handle as well as yours does! I have yet to put swaybars on mine...my new wheels/tires help but it still handles pretty crappy.
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why thank you. despite the minor hassles i've had with the fuel injection system and electricals, i really do enjoy driving it. it gets me to and fro and has plenty of the creature comforts i would ever want (roll up windows, who cares - it's got a/c and a nice stereo). the rims are nice, tires just the right width, doesn't give that 'bling bling' look that the 20's have. keeping the chrome rims just a bit dirty fixes that too ;-)
in that photo, it is missing the front air dam, which balances the look of the truck a lot better. i have a new one, just have to screw it on and haven't taken the time. so is the dilemma of he who has too many projects. also, that ugly bmw parts car in the background that looks like a corvair is no longer in my yard. i may have to destroy this photo of my truck just to eliminate any evidence of its existance ;-)
yeah as for the older trucks, chopping springs and flip kits are no fun. i'll admit though, my truck has a bit of a rattle up front in the suspension, and i still haven't been able to pin down where it is coming from. belltech has no idea either.
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Ha! I was going to say something about that corvair in the background until I looked at it again and realized it wasn't a corvair (my grandfather has a 63 2-door post). Wasn't sure what it was but now that you mention I've seen similar BMWs at auto-x's. Definitely ain't much to look at. Better off with a Corvair and drop a V8 in it (seen that at an auto-x too)
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Offset is the distance between the mounting surface of the wheel to the outer edge of the wheel.
For example on my club cab I have 15x10 whells with a 6" offset to the rear. from the outer edge of the rear to the surface where the wheels mounts to the hub is 6".
No, 6" is not your offset. Offset is the distance from the center of the wheel to the mounting surface. So your offset is 1" (10" wide wheel) I don't remember if that is positive or negative, Backspacing is the measurement from the inside edge of you wheel to the mounting surface, so your backspacing is 4". So, for example, if your 15" wheel had the mounting surface dead center in the wheel, your offset would be zero, and your backspacing would be 5".
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« Reply #86 on: August 7, 2002, 05:38:33 AM » |
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offset is - when it is to the mounting surface and + when it is to the body
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« Reply #87 on: August 7, 2002, 02:54:35 PM » |
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Wasn't sure what it was but now that you mention I've seen similar BMWs at auto-x's. Definitely ain't much to look at. Better off with a Corvair and drop a V8 in it (see those in auto-x too)
i hope you're saying that my old p.o.s. parts car behind my truck wasn't much to look at, and not the CS models in general. if ya ask me (well, hell i own one), they're beautiful automobiles. mine runs pretty well too. no auto-x action for it yet, but soon enough. i'll bet my coupe with a buick gnx turbo v6 would house a v8 corvair at the coneyard. that's what i'm putting into it after my 3.2l goes south. my real (non parts) car looks a bit more like this, without the cowcatcher spoiler and the rear wing:  by the way, you're the 10th person to call it a corvair (most owners cringe at that reference, but i grin. it was CLEARLY a corvair knockoff. and corvair's kick ass, imho) piping the water lines and finding a spot for a radiator with the v8 swap is a bear though. ever tried to pressurize a cooling system that has 14 feet of steel pipe in it? ;-) my dad's building a gt40 kit that is on a corvair chassis, w/ 327 vette engine. damn crate motor has 500 miles on it. cast in '65!! talk about the project that was never finished!!! jason |
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« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2002, 06:46:06 AM » |
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my truck is lowered and this is where you can find it http://members.cardomain.com/swwaltw |
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« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2002, 12:09:26 PM » |
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I went ahead and bit the bullit and ordered a set of dakota dropped spindles. I'm finally going to try my experiment that I have been researching for a long time.
If it works I'll test it & let you know how it works.
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« Reply #90 on: August 27, 2002, 02:59:45 PM » |
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cool, if it works, maybe I'll try that some time. I'd also like to make a rack and pinion system for my truck, but without bumpsteer. all in the future though, like the other million plans I have.
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« Reply #91 on: August 27, 2002, 03:12:20 PM » |
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There isn't much trick in designing bumpsteer out of a rack and pinion system. You just have to be careful about placement of the rack vs the location of the outboard steering rod ends. I'll check with one of the suspension engineers here at work, but your best bet would be to have the rack slightly below the outboard pickups for the steering rod, so the link between the rack and the spindle angles upward toward the tire. Should be easier in a lowered truck than a stock height one!
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« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2002, 11:05:43 AM » |
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hay lowering buddies.. its been a while since ive been on here. but i got a 1986 dodge truck thats lowerd a bit. its the black one on this page sent in by lowfrontier.im going to be puting up some more pics soon. ive been busy. the reason im sending this meggage is because ive lowerd my dodge now 15inches. it lays frame so if you have question im more then happy to help give advice out. ive done plenty of trucks and know a bit. also im wanting to know if anyone is intrested in upper and lower control arms. i have a friend that im working with on producing drop tubeullar arms. from 2 to 4 inch drop. around $350.00 for both. so with these and a set of lowering spings or bags you can get about 8inches easy. so if you would be intrested please email me or reply to the post.
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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2002, 03:30:15 AM » |
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i want see some pics of that 15" welcome back and please check out my ram i will take any opions you might have will upper and lower control arms fix the bottoming out that we all have been having
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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2002, 06:31:19 AM » |
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well it depends. if you are bottoming out on the bumpstop or the bumpstop bracket then take it out. you wont really need it because you wont bottom out on anything else but the spring. if you are bottoming out on the spring there isent much you can do. is the spring you are running a drop spring or a cut spring. if you run a drop spring it wont bottom out as much because the coils are desined to stop that. but can still bottom out.
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« Reply #95 on: September 13, 2002, 07:11:36 AM » |
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BILL! Good to see you again!
Tubular control arms would be hot. The only problem I'm having with my setup right now (cut down drop coils) is that my strut rods are pretty close to the bottom of the steering box. I'm thinking of moving the steering box and linkage up a bit to remedy this. Some shortened lower arms would be great though. Help correct my camber.
I'm going to try bagging the front as soon as I get home. I'm going to try working with a fullsize Chevy kit and see how it goes.
Next in line is a 2 link and bags for the rear.
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« Reply #96 on: September 13, 2002, 10:34:24 AM » |
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thats cool, well pass the word around on them control arms, im wanting to get them out there. you could always take your shocks out and relocate them. that will stop them from bottoming out. i put mine from the frame rail to the lower control arm and they work great. you need them with bags on that big boy. the two link is easy. thats what i did and its cake i can show you if you need. im just took the bed off of the truck and im notching the frame a bit more so that the truck will lay frame all the way around front and back. the front lays but im like just a c** hair from laying in the back. ill take care of that this weekend. ive got 3 more shows this fall and then its comeing back off the road for the winter. i got another idea for next show seson .  |
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« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2002, 06:48:51 AM » |
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rustynu612 do you have any pics of you truck(s) i would love to see the work that come from your knowlage
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« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2002, 06:50:51 AM » |
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rustynu612 do you have any pics of you truck(s) i would love to see the work that come from your knowlage if you go to my website you can see what is bottoming out and i am afarid that if i cut any of the bump stop mount that i might lose a tire in the fender
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« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2002, 11:33:55 AM » |
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well i cant see how far you cut the bumpstop really. but i took mine all yhe way to the cup. im running a 255/70 17 tire all the way around and i only rub the inner fennder with the truck all the way out, with the tire turned. going straight the only thing i scrape is down is the frame. and takeing the stop all the way out should be ok. you wont bottom the truck out really but you will bottom the spring out. hope this helps.
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