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« on: May 23, 2010, 01:44:42 AM » |
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This post is for information about Dana 60 axles. Eventually once enough information is gathered we will format it nice and make it easy to read, but for now we will just collect info. Basically I am wanting to build a post with good information about Dana 60s, so if you know some uncommon things, know part numbers or know of tricks post them here. To start I have a quote from another post. U-bolt style are stronger/better. Just make sure you have good lock washers under the nuts and use a small wrench to tighten the nuts (so you don't over torque). You can find 1350 U-bolt Dana 60 pinion yokes under '74-78 Ford F250s in salvage yards for $15-20.
- Front long inner and both outers swap with Chevy (short side is about 2" shorter)
- You can convert rear to 35 spline with a standard rotation front diff/locker and shafts from a 70.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 04:33:07 AM » |
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Spindle nuts are 2 9/16"
Fronts are mostly double nutted square corners with a lock plate
Rears are rounded corners and a single Ny-lock with a locking wedge (these are designed to be replaced not reused)
Spindle Bearing & Seal kit - Dana PN # 700014 about $15 per side
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 08:17:11 AM » |
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here's just about all the info you can ever want, factory manuals, build lists, part numbers, all the original, except for the tips& tricks. Dana linkSpindle nuts are 2 9/16"
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 09:42:54 AM » |
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here's just about all the info you can ever want, factory manuals, build lists, part numbers, all the original, except for the tips& tricks. Dana linkI ment this as more of an unorthodox info list of sorts. Stuff you don't find in manuals or the typical information sites. depends on the year, I've seen at least three diefferent sizes.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 10:51:30 AM » |
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Actually it would be bad to make this an all inclusive list about everything dana 60, I think we have enough knowledge here for both obscure info and typical tech info.
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Not an exact year range, but I have seen front 60s with the much thicker inner Cs in '75s, a '77, and a '78. I have seen axles with the thinner inner Cs on '85s, an '89, and a '92. I'm guessing that the heavier ones came in heavy 3/4s and 1 tons from '75-80, but not sure. Anyone else know?
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 10:35:16 PM » |
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Not an exact year range, but I have seen front 60s with the much thicker inner Cs in '75s, a '77, and a '78. I have seen axles with the thinner inner Cs on '85s, an '89, and a '92. I'm guessing that the heavier ones came in heavy 3/4s and 1 tons from '75-80, but not sure. Anyone else know?
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 12:08:54 PM » |
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- Front long inner and both outers swap with Chevy (short side is about 2" shorter)
- You can convert rear to 35 spline with a standard rotation front diff/locker and shafts from a 70.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 09:11:49 PM » |
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- Front long inner and both outers swap with Chevy (short side is about 2" shorter)
- You can convert rear to 35 spline with a standard rotation front diff/locker and shafts from a 70.
Hey Rambunctious, not sure I'm understanding the second statement? You use a Chevy or Dodge front dana 60 carrier and 70 rear shafts. Do you know what year, brand dana70 to look for for getting the correct length shafts? I'm in the process of boring out the spindles on my rear 60 to accept the 35 spline shafts... |
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 11:02:19 PM » |
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how much do they have to be bored out?
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 11:50:17 AM » |
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how much do they have to be bored out?
Depends on the rear 60. The heavy duty ones do not need to be bored. Don't know specific years of 70 shafts to look for. Ya have to go in search with a tape measure. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 11:06:27 PM » |
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for the 60F, I went years ago to the dodge parts counter for spindle studs on my '92 and they said non serviceable part, have to buy the knuckle. didn't think that was right, and GM agreed, sold me the studs no problem (not exacly cheap but hey dealerships right).
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 04:51:17 AM » |
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Not an exact year range, but I have seen front 60s with the much thicker inner Cs in '75s, a '77, and a '78. I have seen axles with the thinner inner Cs on '85s, an '89, and a '92. I'm guessing that the heavier ones came in heavy 3/4s and 1 tons from '75-80, but not sure. Anyone else know?
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Depends on the rear 60. The heavy duty ones do not need to be bored. Don't know specific years of 70 shafts to look for. Ya have to go in search with a tape measure.
I have a Rear HD 60 & I had to bore out the spindles to get the 35 spline axles in. I have also heard that same axle didn't need to be bored out to put them in. So it's like hitting the lottery if you find one that doesn't need to be bored out. If I remember it's about 1/16" to bore out. Jim |
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 08:40:30 PM » |
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I have 2 dana 60's One on my 72w200 and one on my 87w250 the spinle sizes are diffenernt
not sure off hand what size but i got the Nylock nut bearing nut for an 87 and tryed to use them on the 72 and they were at least 1/4 too big
my 72 60 had two nuts and a retaining plate in the middle with the tabs that are bent to retain the nuts
my 87 60 has one single nylock nut with a tab in the keyway to lock it
also both have 12 x 2.5 brakes and parking brake cables interchange but if using the later style cables u need to use all the later style stuff up to the cab
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 10:22:41 PM » |
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The early '70s rear D60s also use totally different bearings and seals. I have not confirmed that the larger spindle in the older D60s with the larger spindle will indeed fit 35 spline axles without modification, but I believe that is the case. The older axles use different wheel hubs and the same inner and outer bearing. I recently found a Dorman part number for the old style larger lock ring, it is 618050. They are available at Rockauto.com. The 618050 lock ring is listed with a 2 3/8" inside diameter and the later style, Dorman 618046, is listed as 2 1/16" inside diameter so the difference is only 1/16" of an inch. Still it has been verified on Pirate that several people ave used 35 spline axles in "old" Dodge D60 axles from a W series truck and that is the only case I can find that the spindle is different. Both the axle under my Ramcharger now and my spare D60 rear are the older style with the large spindle and once I can afford a Detroit and 35 spline axles, I'll test my theory but I wouldn't hold my breath, lol.
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What sizes do you find and what years?
I've got 2-1/2" 2-3/8" & 2-9/16" sq corner, and 2-9/16" Rnd corners The years seem to be a hit or miss. |
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 10:52:06 AM » |
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my 87 nut is 2 9/16 i have since checked but I didnt check the 72 yet is deff smaller
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I know my 75, was 2-1/2", after that it just seemed hit or miss.
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This is an offshoot from my D61 post but since this info was on the same page I figured I would add it here. This is a list of the common front D60 axle lengths: Ford (78-79) Shaft Lengths- 18.66"(Short)- 34.56"(Long)- 11.40"(Outers)
Ford (83-91) Shaft Lengths- 15.98"(Short)- 36.86"(Long)- 11.40"(Outers) Ford Unit Bearing Shaft Lengths - 9.39"(Outers) Chevy/GM Shaft Lengths- 17.67"(Short)- 35.07(Long)- 12.00"(Outers) Dodge (79-93) Shaft Lengths- 15.98"(Short)- 35.10(Long)- 12.00"(Outers) Credit for the info goes to East Coast Gear Supply, so blame them if there is an error, lol.  |
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how about which auto maker's front or rear D60s will swap into a dodge. for example spring perches, steering components, tube thickness, driveshaft related issues, over all width. Will 9.25 shock mount fit a D60 axle tube? it's been covered a million time but less consolidate for those idiots to lazy search |
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I've got
2-1/2" 2-3/8" & 2-9/16" sq corner, and 2-9/16" Rnd corners The years seem to be a hit or miss.
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In regards to a Dodge Dana 60 rear disk swap:
I've seen a few threads on using brackets that bolt-on to the drum back plate flange and using chevy 3/4 ton rotors/calipers. Usually there is some mention of grinding/spacing/shimming to make it work but it works. I have a '91 Dana 60 HD with 3" (wide) drum brakes and there is no-way the bolt-on brackets/chevy rotors/calipers will work. The drum width between the 2 1/2" and 3" drum brakes on full float 60's is right at 2". The back plate flange is farther inboard and requires something different. I've read mention of late model ford 3/4 ton rotors having a wider "hat" but from what I can see it's only about 9mm wider than the chevy's. when I get it figured out I'll share unless somebody can comment about this. I have some Blue Torch weld-on brackets I planned on using and when I get the hubs/drums off I'll know more.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2010, 11:23:55 AM » |
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Cool do a how to. I did a how to on rear discs but it was a standard Dana 60 rear. BTW, the bracket couldn't bolt on from the outside, I had to cut a piece out and bolt it on the inside. Take a look at the how to to see what I mean. http://ramchargercentral.com/articles/brakes/dana-60-rear-disc-brakes/10 |
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I looked at that several times before doing mine.
The welded brackets were the only way to go on my D60HD, otherwise you would have 1 1/2-2" spacers between the bracket and flange. I'm happy with the way it came out, my thread was kinda like a how-to and apparently I have somewhat of an oddball Dana 60 with the 3" drums that have alot of setback.
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Both of my D60HD's had the 3" drums but looked nothing like yours. I would be willing to bet it was a rear designed to be a dually rear that didn't have the dual wheel set up.
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Both of my D60HD's had the 3" drums but looked nothing like yours. I would be willing to bet it was a rear designed to be a dually rear that didn't have the dual wheel set up.
That was my first thought, but after a lot of research, I'm thinking that Dodge may have done it for a few years there, to get the drums away from the wheels, and in the airstream for better cooling. |
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Is that like a boxers/briefs thing?  I dunno, I never thought about the cooling benefits of the boxers / briefs thing, to me that was more of a comfort vs strain thing. When I get time, I'll have to re think things. |
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how about which auto maker's front or rear D60s will swap into a dodge. for example spring perches, steering components, tube thickness, driveshaft related issues, over all width. Will 9.25 shock mount fit a D60 axle tube? it's been covered a million time but less consolidate for those idiots to lazy search I had my 9.25" and D60 rear shock plates side by side today and THEY ARE DIFFERENT. The stamped tube radius is slightly bigger on the D60 plate and the bolt holes are spaced further apart. |
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So this is from pirate I would guess everyone has seen this but it answered many question I had about the dana 60. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/60_front/index.html |
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The 90 HD 60 I have accepted the 1990 dana 70 SRW axles from a CTD without boring the axle. I used the carrier from a 78 dana 60F and welded it. Worked great. By the way, the 60F had the thicker inner C's |
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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2011, 11:08:45 PM » |
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Spindle nuts are 2 9/16"
Fronts are mostly double nutted square corners with a lock plate
Rears are rounded corners and a single Ny-lock with a locking wedge (these are designed to be replaced not reused)
Spindle Bearing & Seal kit - Dana PN # 700014 about $15 per side
On the rear spindle ny-lock nut and wedge, why shouldn't they be re-used? |
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 08:38:07 AM » |
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On the rear spindle ny-lock nut and wedge, why shouldn't they be re-used?
Thats what Mopar says. The wedge cuts into the nylon to keep the nut from turning. As long as they look in good shape I reuse them, I just be sure to have the wedge bite into a different section on the ny-loc nut each time. |
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2011, 11:43:25 PM » |
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I dont mean to burst the topic but this link is very helpfull for d60 info http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/60_front/index.html |
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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2011, 08:01:33 PM » |
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- Front long inner and both outers swap with Chevy (short side is about 2" shorter)
- You can convert rear to 35 spline with a standard rotation front diff/locker and shafts from a 70.
This is true depending on which Dana 60 rear you have. Some do not have a spindle ID sufficient to clear the 35 spline shafts. I had a rear 60 that I chucked into a lathe to bore out the spindles for 35 spline shafts. By the time I had clearance, the spindle wall was far to thin to support the weight of a rig. Later model 60s (possibly '80+, but not sure), had a thicker wall spindle that will either accept the larger diameter 35 spline shafts, or can be bored to the correct ID and still leave a thick spindle wall... |
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