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« on: December 8, 2009, 03:44:29 PM »

Well, I'm starting with a 1978 Ramcharger.  It has a 318 and a 4 speed, factory axles and no mods except Hedman headers and 31" AT tires on stock wheels.  It's nothing special at all, but the body is in decent shape.

This is how it was when I picked it up.  The only thing I done was removed the banged up front bumper and replace the VERY worn out drag link.


Here's half way through my Rustoleum paint job.  I already had almost a full gallon of gloss black laying around.  I finished some of the body work, sanded the entire truck and used a roller to paint the whole truck.  I haven't taken a picture since the job was finished.


I just got started on the lift today, but I got rained out for now.  I only got to get the front end loosened.  A 3/4 ton D44 w/ lockouts (non-CAD) is going in along with RCC inspired brackets, 8" shackles and 4" Rough Country 56" springs.  More pictures and info to come...
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« Reply #1 on: December 8, 2009, 03:55:20 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 8, 2009, 04:51:06 PM »

If you haven't done so..... Soak all bolts/nuts/hdw with some Liquid Wrench or other penetrant for a day or so before you start!!!! May just save your day. Agree
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« Reply #3 on: December 8, 2009, 06:25:28 PM »

If you haven't done so..... Soak all bolts/nuts/hdw with some Liquid Wrench or other penetrant for a day or so before you start!!!! May just save your day. Agree
Done, but thanks for the tip.  I was able to pop everything loose (reasonably) easily except for one nut.  When it quits raining, I'll get some pictures of the whole truck before I get started.  I should have the entire front end stripped apart when I have some dry time too.  My garage isn't big enough to work on it in, plus my Deuce and half is in front of the door (only place I have enough room to park it).
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« Reply #4 on: December 9, 2009, 10:09:31 AM »

Deuce and a half?  Chevy II?  32 Ford?
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« Reply #5 on: December 9, 2009, 03:48:30 PM »

Front axle got removed today.  The front hangars and rear shackle mounts are also gone.  I didn't take pictures of that, it's self-explanatory.


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« Reply #6 on: December 9, 2009, 04:01:34 PM »

that is so awesome - I'd love to have a deuce.....

RC looks good - reminds me of how our '78 started out.

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« Reply #7 on: December 9, 2009, 04:44:07 PM »

Nice duece.  Agree
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« Reply #8 on: December 9, 2009, 05:56:09 PM »

After the RC is done, the Deuce is next.  It needs it's fair share of work.  Right now it isn't starting, probably the solenoid.  In that picture, you can see the trans on the ground.  Flywheel, PP, disc, and rear main all needed replaced and the crank had to be sleeved.  The wood in the bed is all junk too and it has some rusty spots.  Mechanically, it has never let me down (save for the starting problem).  I don't want to get off the subject though.  In time, I'll make a new thread for the Deuce.
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« Reply #9 on: December 9, 2009, 10:33:59 PM »

You have a deuce and a half! Good luck with both of them and keep us posted.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 07:35:32 AM »

yes please do keep us posted nice duece....have fun with it... Grin
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 08:09:20 PM »

Here's the front hangars I had made a couple months back.  Finally got around to installing them.  The rear-most hole is stock and the other two are 1.5" and 3" forward respectively.  They're 3" wide to accommodate Chevy springs up front.  They're made from all 3/8" steel and are HEAVY!  They'll be cross-braced later, but I want to get the front end together.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 03:30:34 AM »

mounts look good and beefy especially if you cross brace them. 

What are plans for the bumper as you seem to have some sturdy extenders run out of the frame channel
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 09:50:12 AM »

mounts look good and beefy especially if you cross brace them. 

What are plans for the bumper as you seem to have some sturdy extenders run out of the frame channel
I have two options right now; either 4" round (1/4" wall) or a 5" square tube bumper a guy has fairly local.  The square tube bumper is at least 1/4" wall and has a 2" receiver built into it.  It's on a Chevy, so I was going to cut off his mounts and have it welded onto mine.
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I'd go square especially since it has the hitch already.  Easier to build brush guards and what not later as well since everything is on right angles
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 12:58:20 PM »

I'd go square especially since it has the hitch already.  Easier to build brush guards and what not later as well since everything is on right angles
That's the one I want to get, but job loss is slowing things down.  I'm putting on all the stuff that I had laying around.  Once that runs out, I'll pretty much be stuck.  I should be able to finish all of the suspension and get the truck lifted and new axles installed.  I'll have to wait a little bit to finish the steering, brake lines and drive shafts.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2009, 01:33:05 AM »

I know what you mean on money problems putting a damper on progress.  My truck has sat out this whole year due to no money to wheel it, same goes for most of my buddies Sad

About the only things i've bought for it was some fiberglass plug wire insulators so my headers will quit burning up my wire boots and I lucked out and got a good month of side work so I picked up a CLEAN 91 Cummins frame that i'm rebuilding the truck on in the spring.  My current frame rails are getting pretty pitted up and the crossmembers are about history.

Hang in there, you'll get it built.  It took me almost 7 years to get mine from daily driver to the point it is now....multiple money pit g/f's and low paying jobs back then didn't help matters in that department Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2009, 10:01:42 AM »

Good to see you are making some progress on the RC.  I also must say that it must be nice to have decent weather in the middle of December...  I'm stuck with one fender cut and one still stock (of course I started with the one that didn't rub at all).  We got 15 inches of snow (give or take) and sub zero temps at night so I'm not doing anything on my truck.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 02:07:16 PM »

I was not expecting that!  Shocked That thing is bad-ass!
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 09:13:23 PM »

I got the front springs installed and the Dana bolted on loosely.  I need new U-bolts, but I wanted to get an idea of where I was at.  From the fender lip down to the center line of the axle is about 36" if I go with a 6" shackle.  That's with no weight on the truck though, I'm expecting it to settle about 3" with weight on it.


I haven't looked at how the axle is in relation to being centered in the wheel well.  By measurement, it should be about 2" forward with no weight on the truck.  I'm guessing it'd move back that much when I set the truck down.  I'm probably going to have to move the front eye out 2 more inches with some new brackets.  I'm not messing with that until the front end is done with the current setup though.  That way I can see how everything is working with what I have on hand.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »

That thing is going to be pretty big!  What size tire are you going to be running?
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 10:11:01 PM »

What's the application the springs are for and how long are they (eye to eye)?
Besides the width are you gaining a longer spring?
Definately interested to see how you do the shackles...

One more question... curious to where/what U-bolts you got for the D60?

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« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2009, 11:38:06 AM »

I have a set of 40x17x16.5 Ground Hawgs that are going on it ultimately.  There's a set of 33's on the wheels now that I'm just going to use to get it around until I'm ready to put the tires on, that's last on the list.  Right now, I only have a Dana 44 for the front.  I should be getting a D60 in the next couple of months, I'm going to keep the D44 around for a backup axle.  The U-bolts about will be 2" longer than stock, that's only because I need some shims.  Otherwise, they'd only need to be 1" longer; I don't know what size shims I need right now.

The leaf springs at all 4 corners are 56" Chevy springs, Rough Country 4" lift springs.  Eye-to-eye is about 53" and they're about 14" tall from eye center to axle pad location.  With the new mounts, shackles and weight on the truck, I'm hoping for about 12" of lift.  I want to be aboe to run the 40's without a body lift.  I'll trim some off of the fenders if I have to, but I don't want to go crazy.  This isn't going to be a rock crawling truck.  Most of the time I spend off-roading is hitting mud holes.
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2009, 07:19:17 PM »

Can't wait to see the home built fold out ladder for that beast! Grin
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So those must be Chevy rear springs?  Is there an overload in the front springs and are you taking that out?  I would love to be able to do something similar but anything past adding lift springs and correcting the steering would be too much for me.  I'd be completely lost with driveshaft length, steering geometry, all that fun stuff.
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So those must be Chevy rear springs?  Is there an overload in the front springs and are you taking that out?  I would love to be able to do something similar but anything past adding lift springs and correcting the steering would be too much for me.  I'd be completely lost with driveshaft length, steering geometry, all that fun stuff.
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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2009, 01:15:32 AM »

See, you have a lot better grasp of that stuff than I do... I could do a simple lift with springs but I know the steering arm would kick my butt.  Thats as far as I care to go for now, I like having my junk drivable and I would end up with a pile of parts, a non-driving truck and a lot of frustration.  Heck thats the reason I got rid of my Dart, it started out drivable, I started messing with it and ended up selling it since I couldn't ever get any of my projects completed. Sad
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« Reply #28 on: January 3, 2010, 09:18:26 PM »

The project is a little slow right now.  I did manage to get the front axle set and temporarily bolted in.  From center-line of the axle to the lip of the fender is 34".  Does anyone happen to know how much over stock that is?  I didn't take a before measurement.

I have the rear end up in the air waiting to get started.  Once the temperature is above single digits, I'll get going again.  I can get as far as removing all the old parts, moving the front hangars and getting the springs in place and mocking the axle into place.  I'm not sure if I'm going to use the shackle flip brackets I made or make some new ones.
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« Reply #29 on: January 4, 2010, 08:14:08 AM »

If you're talking about this dimension, mine is 26".
That's with the stock D44 and a Skyjacker 4" lift.


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« Reply #30 on: January 4, 2010, 08:17:03 AM »

I'd say you're probably about +12 over stock (if mine is +4)
No body lift on my RC, just for reference.
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« Reply #31 on: January 4, 2010, 08:27:36 AM »

You'll probably pickup an 1" (+13 total) with the Dana 60 between the axle tube and spring pad difference over the stock D44.  That's what I noticed on the 1-ton 60's I have sittin for my truck.  Of course It might be a wash between your's and the 60 if that's a HD44 in your pictures.
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« Reply #32 on: January 5, 2010, 01:13:35 AM »

fun build. I will be watching. With the duece and a half plus the 1/2 ton rc you've got a tre'.
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« Reply #33 on: January 5, 2010, 08:08:10 PM »

Now I just need to get started on the rear.  I set have a 4" lift 56" Chevy springs for there also.  With a shackle flip and lowering the front mounts, I may still need a block.  If I need a 1"-2" add-a-leaf I won't be too upset, but I don't want to put in a 3" or taller block.  In a couple of weeks, I should be getting started.
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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2010, 12:01:05 AM »

Took a look at the front axle after it's settled for a while.  Has the Chevy-56 4" lift springs, moved forward 3" up front and with 6" shackles on it.  The springs have now settle to where they are touching the frame.  So, now I have move the springs further forward.  I'll probably make a new set of hangars that have stock, 1.5", 3", 4.5" and 6" spaces. 
I think I have to go 6" to get the shackle angle I want.  I'll definitely have to run zero-rates to move the axle back as far as possible.  In the rear, I got the axle completely removed.  I didn't get much else done though.  I have to get all of the old brackets off and removed.
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2010, 08:56:36 AM »

Sure beats shoveling snow...or driving in it for that matter.  Hell, it was a heat wave this week...made it to about 32 degrees. 

Once you get the front end figured out, you should be sitting good.  So far it looks a lot like what I would like for my truck.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2010, 10:44:28 AM »

Sure beats shoveling snow...or driving in it for that matter.  Hell, it was a heat wave this week...made it to about 32 degrees. 

Once you get the front end figured out, you should be sitting good.  So far it looks a lot like what I would like for my truck.
I'm getting activated for the National Guard, so I won't be able to do anything to it for a while.  I'm taking some measurements with me so I can try some stuff out on paper while I'm gone.
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« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2010, 07:38:24 AM »

How about putting the axle where you want & relocate the front spring shackle mount to get the angle you need.
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2010, 08:41:28 AM »

I'm getting activated for the National Guard, so I won't be able to do anything to it for a while.  I'm taking some measurements with me so I can try some stuff out on paper while I'm gone.

Thank you for your service.  How long do you have before you have to go?  Kind of sucks that you are just getting into the RC and now it will be put on hold.  I was diggin the progress!
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2010, 10:55:25 AM »

My initial activation was canceled.  I'm on standby now for the snow storm we're SUPPOSED to be getting.  The original date has been moved a couple months away.  So, I've been back into the truck a little.  No pictures, but the fuel tank and rear suspension hardware is all removed.  I'm going to get some pictures today.
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2010, 08:58:38 PM »



Here's about all I've gotten done lately.  I dropped the tank so I had better access to the rear pieces and so I didn't blow myself up.  Everything got a once over with a flap wheel on my 4.5" grinder and some gloss black spray paint to dress it up.
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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2010, 04:28:11 AM »

Looking good!!!
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2010, 09:25:09 AM »

Thats clean.  Your tank straps must not have been all rotted away.  My tanks on both trucks have rust stains on the plastic from the straps, I'm currently waiting for one or both to drop themselves...

I'm still jealous of your weather, its been really cold here again this week.
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2010, 10:39:58 AM »

Well, we had a period of maybe 1-2 weeks between snows.  We have another blanket of snow, so work is on a halt again.  Surprisingly, my truck is in great shape for it's age.  The only place it has any serious rust is over the rear wheel wells.  The truck has shoddy paint all over it; the body, the interior and the frame.  I wasn't super thrilled with any of the work, but the paint on the frame comes off easy and kept rust off of it really well.
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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2010, 10:41:21 PM »

Well, I had to change direction on the rear a little.  I had to cut my budget a little if I wanted to get my rig done any time soon.  I re-used the stock hangars in the rear, I just moved them.  I still need to make some reinforcement pieces from 2x4, 1/4" angle iron.  I move the top-left bolt hole on the hanger to the old location of the bottom-right rivet to locate it.  I made a simple cardboard template to drill the forward hole.  I had to notch just a little bit out of the body mount to clear it.



The stock hangers DID NOT like the new GM springs.  I think the bushings were too big and that's what caused the problem.  That on top of the fact that the outside of the brackets were sucked in a little, so there were only actually about 2.75" wide instead of 3".  I tried to bend them out but I still couldn't get them to a full 3".  I had to persuade them the rest of the way in.  I also re-sleeved the GM springs to 5/8" to fit the stock hangers.  All in all, I think I the axle about 4" forward and down.  Without the axle in place, it still looks like the center-line might be a little further forward that I want.
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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2010, 12:53:57 AM »

do you have the front axle mounted yet?
if so PICS PLease Grin
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« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2010, 11:12:58 AM »

do you have the front axle mounted yet?
if so PICS PLease Grin
Post #20 is the best picture I have of the front axle.  I'll get another picture if I get out there today of the truck on it's own weight.  The spring is laying on the frame and the shackle is touching the body mount.  It's moved forward 3" now, I'm going to redo the mounts with holes at the stock location and then 2", 4" and 6" forward.  I need to have the front springs in the 6" hole, making the axle roughly 4" forward of center.  Pics will follow as I get things done.
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2010, 03:12:47 PM »



Here's the front shackle as it sits with the front eyelet moved 3" forward.  This is why I need to make new hangers to move the spring 6" forward.  That'll leave me with a 30* to 45* shackle angle depending on how much more the springs settle.
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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2010, 05:45:01 PM »

Good luck. Hope everything works out.
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« Reply #49 on: March 4, 2010, 12:41:40 AM »


I put the rear axle in to place to check placement.  With no weight on it, it's maybe 2" forward at the most.  I'm sure it's going to flex to the rear as the springs settle.  Parts should be in the pipe to redo the front hangars and finish the rear.
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