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« on: May 4, 2007, 07:44:05 PM »

I have found many posts on here about cutting the top off of the 80S
RCS  but they usually don't go completely over the windshield like the one I am currently working on. So I'm just wondering if anyone else has considered this? I am doing this because I have a soft top that I used to run on my old 77 TD (R.I.P) and I always loved it.  We are also installing a full rollcage to protect both front and rear occupants which will be  tied into the frame.

UPDATE 11-25-07..Since I had this thread moved to the pic section I wanted to find a "before" shot but this is as close as I can find right now.It's not very good quality but it did still have the top on it and the 36" buckshots.



Here is what the RC looks like now..
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« Reply #1 on: May 8, 2007, 10:07:56 PM »

Yes it is in the right site!!  It is just I don't think anyone has removed the top that far before that I have seen on here.  But I have only been here for a year and half. I guess if I was doing it I would leave about 2 to 3 inches of the top to maintain the strength for the windshield and for the door frames to butt up to the top for a better seal. Then attach the soft top to that area and then to the normal attachment points. I see no problem doing it that way!! I have heard some people talk about removing it as far as they could to match the 70x RC/TD so they could use one of those years top. Did that help?!! puttputt56!!
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« Reply #2 on: May 9, 2007, 06:36:08 PM »

I was going to chop the entire top off of my RC but I was concerend with cowl shake and I like some shade when I am out wheeling.
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« Reply #3 on: May 9, 2007, 07:42:36 PM »

I here ya spider, I am also concerned with tweaking the windshield frame as for  the shade,with the top I have you can roll the side windows and back windows up and just have a flat top or you can leave em snapped down if thats what ya need at the time.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 01:28:16 PM »

Look at some of the pics of my build...

http://ramchargercentral.com/boards/index.php?topic=85744.0

You my be able to see how I did mine. Not done yet, but it might give you an idea.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2007, 10:22:41 PM »

lookin good!! thats the same top that i had on my 76 RC. any more pics?
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 11:49:54 PM »

yep I must say RC's and TD's are like beautifull women....there always better topless lol
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 06:39:39 AM »

Here is another shot while working on it. This has been a course in try and try again test fits!!
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 03:41:03 PM »

Nice job. What did you do to the top of the bedsides?
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 07:24:23 PM »

Thanks spider! As for the bedsides, after several test runs, I had to cut 
the part where the side windows were at off. I done this by cutting the inside where the lip is tied in together. On the outside I cut it where the window bottom was at. This left me  about  2" higher on the outside sheet metal. The RC floorboard (inside the bedsides) comes up and forms a lip which is like the top of a pickup bedside. So I took the out side sheet metal and bent it down to meet this lip then trimmed it off and tack welded it.I know this may sound confusing but I actually have pics of this whole process but not on the PC yet.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 07:42:33 PM »

Thanks spider! As for the bedsides, after several test runs, I had to cut
the part where the side windows were at off. I done this by cutting the inside where the lip is tied in together. On the outside I cut it where the window bottom was at. This left me about 2" higher on the outside sheet metal. The RC floorboard (inside the bedsides) comes up and forms a lip which is like the top of a pickup bedside. So I took the out side sheet metal and bent it down to meet this lip then trimmed it off and tack welded it.I know this may sound confusing but I actually have pics of this whole process but not on the PC yet.

That makes sense to me since I am familiar with how the bedsides are constructed.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 08:13:00 PM »

Yeah, I thought you would know, cause after the post I clicked on your "my junk" link and noticed it when you were trimming your top.(BTW you have a killer project there!!)This lip in there puts the soft top about where the height is on a 70's RC/TD,so it will fit correct over the doors. I still have to modify the metal arms though that go around the door tops to get the sides of the soft top  right. Most of the trial and error on this project happens over the windshield.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 09:44:28 PM »

That was going to be my next request for a pic. Have you thought about sectioning a windsheild frame from a pop top? You are so far into it now  that the way your soft top fits you may be able to get a hard top to fit too.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 05:04:03 PM »

Yeah,I have actually thought about that but pop tops are very rare around here. I actually found one to get some measurements for this project but  it is pretty rotted from sitting so long. You never know what can happen though. I have  had a few of the poptops but due to bad judgment they are not around anymore Sad Sad Oh any way I have some pics of the top of the windshield area but I have to get them put on the PC.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2007, 10:44:16 PM »

Please get the pic posted  This Thread is worthless without pictures
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2007, 08:57:09 AM »

I believe you said you were thinking of doing a How-To on this top removal project. I think that is a great idea as many have asked this same question about removing a fixed top like yours. I believe the membership would greatly appreciate a How-to on this project!! We love pictures!! puttputt56 Wink
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2007, 01:24:57 PM »

I'll second that. I got the saws all ready, just waiting for the "patterns" so to speak.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2007, 07:56:03 PM »

Guy's I really am sorry about the lack of  detailed pics,I know the thread is useless without pics! (I was actually waiting on that Sad)My only problem is that I didn't have my digital cam handy when I done the most "surgery" so the detailed pics are on a 35mm that I need to get put on a CD or whatever so I can post them,but they are good shots that will help anyone interested in doing this. I am trying but I have a very busy schedule right now so trust me the time away from the shop is killing me as well! Please stay tuned and I appreciate the patience, as well as the interest in this project.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2007, 01:42:07 PM »

that's cool, life doesn't have a pause button. i'm keeping an eye on this too. i have been thinking over chopping my top after seeing spider and gmule's trucks. i was wondering if there was enough structural strength to do it your way. what do you plan to do for the fender spread that happens at the back? or did folding/welding together the top edges solve that?
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« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2007, 07:52:45 PM »

Yeah,the bedsides seem to be really stable right now. I mean you can grab the taillight area and shake the truck without the side moving and shaking,its really no different than my old TD. I plan on putting a truck tail gate on it for winter runs (or doing the mod that spider did with his liftgate) and a tube gate for the warmer times. I have noticed that this could mean more cutting and welding on the insides of the liftgate area because it goes down in an angle,but I have not checked it with the parts truck gate. The structural area that needs the most attention is over the windshield but right now we are in the process of boxing it in with some 1/16" plate on the edges right over the doors. I made a slight mistake on mine on the inside of the cab when I cut the roof line and I WILL address this when I get those darn pictures on here (there are three layers on the roof area over the windshield). I will also say right now that you  CANNOT use a sawzall over the windshield area you must use a cutoff wheel on a die or electric grinder. The area is to weak and will bounce (I only went about 4" and said "uh wait a minute dude!") Anyway it's really not a big deal and only because I wanted to run the softtop did I have to do a lot of extra  test fitting/cutting/welding.
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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2007, 10:27:28 AM »

thanks. look forward to the pics.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2007, 08:42:38 PM »

OK Heres a picture of the bedsides after trimming the uprights off the front and back. This was one of the first test fits, and if you look close you will see a hole where the upright was at. In the hole you can see the edge that ultimately forms the top of the bedside.



Now this is a pic of the sides after it was determined that mounting the soft top rails  on the lower window sill areas was not going to work.You can see how the inside was trimmed flush with the bedside floor  top edge,and how the outside was trimmed at the bottom of the window area to leave it higher so that it can be folded over and trimmed/welded to the bedside top edge.



In this photo you can see how we bent the outside edge in  and trimmed it so that it could be welded to the edge of the bedside. We done this by trimming the outside edge into sections about 12" long,so it would be easier to work with.



OK,now we will go to the front,over the windshield. In this pic you can see how I cut it long and kind of jagged,this was kind of a
confusing section to work with because of the layers inside the roof.My advice is to make it long and make multiple cuts. I thought that I was saving time when I first started and I cut the interior roof about 2 1/2" shorter than what I should have done . In the pic you can see how the Gray painted area is shorter than the rusted section,this now has to be tied in with a metal section when all I would have had to do was push it up and tack weld it if I had cut it longer. The rusty part needs to stay to support the roof line and the soft top area.



Now,this is the top roof line where the front of the softtop snaps at.
The outside edge of the roof is the Gray painted area with the yellow paint mark on it , and it had to be trimmed down considerably in order to get the softtop to fit right.This gray area will be tied into the rusty part by tacking metal across the two sections.


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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2007, 11:22:46 PM »

Those are some really nice pics. Depending on what kind of wild hair I get. I really like the full soft top on the 80's body.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2007, 05:28:57 PM »

Thank you for the pics i think i can swing it now.
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« Reply #24 on: July 1, 2007, 05:32:58 PM »

Now, here is a pic of how we boxed the roof area in before the body filler is applied.Notice how we made a cap out of 1/16" metal to cover the section where the door meets at. Also you can see how we repaired the section in the middle that I was talking about earlier.



This pic shows how we tied the exterior roof,where the softtop snaps go, into the middle layer to form a flat area for supporting the softtop. The boxing of the inside and the top has really strengthened the windshield area tremendously.

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« Reply #25 on: July 2, 2007, 12:48:50 PM »

First of all thanks for the pics this will help out a ton for when i do mine, VERY SOON !!!
can i ask a few questions?


So there are 3 layers to the roof ?
1. where the snap are screwed in just above the gutter.
2. That rusty piece that was left long.
3. the gray part int he first pic above the mirror.

What are the measurements from the gutter to where you cut the outside layer of the roof ?
What are the measurements from the gutter to where you cut the center layer of the roof ?
Do you remember how big the space was between the inner roof and that center layer?

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« Reply #26 on: July 2, 2007, 05:33:11 PM »

Alright Stumpjumper I'll get the dimensions for ya but it might be a day or so cause where I work on it is not at my house but I am going up there for sure on Wednesday ( if nuthin happens!)  to fix the damage I caused Sat.
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« Reply #27 on: July 2, 2007, 11:34:23 PM »

 Agree i can wait it wont be for atleast another month before i get the saws all out and start slicin and dicein    Grin .
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« Reply #29 on: July 3, 2007, 08:29:46 AM »

Look I'll leave the concrete blade at work, I'll just use the metal cutting blade. Or i could get on the trackhoe  and just peel it off but then there would be to much clean up.
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stick to the hacksaw

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« Reply #31 on: July 5, 2007, 08:50:05 PM »

can i ask a few questions?
So there are 3 layers to the roof ?
1. where the snap are screwed in just above the gutter.
2. That rusty piece that was left long.
3. the gray part int he first pic above the mirror.

A. What are the measurements from the gutter to where you cut the  outside layer of the roof ?

B. What are the measurements from the gutter to where you cut the center layer of the roof ?

C. Do you remember how big the space was between the inner roof and that center layer?

Thanks again,
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1. exterior roof layer (the one I cut down to screw in the snaps)
2. inner support layer (the rusty one)
3. interior ceiling layer (the gray area above the mirror)

A.Here is a pic of the dimension for the roof where I put the snaps.The tape measure is butted up against the gutter.  The snap section is the one with the yellow paint mark on it.



B. Now I'm not sure what you mean by " center layer of roof",but if you are talking about the rusty piece I did not cut it, I left it the factory length and just tied the interior roof and the exterior roof into it for support You can see in the above photo where it ends at.

C. I don't know what the space was in between the interior roof and the middle ,rusty,layer if thats what your asking. I made a mistake when I cut the interior but you can look at the following photo and see where I made the first cut, where the rusty layer ends at, and the distance I had to fill with metal from the original interior after cutting. I would recommend cutting this long and you should be able to slice it and push it up to the rusty layer and tack weld it. Any cuts made should be at least a couple inches or so longer than the dimensions in these photos,then work your way down. The tape measure is pulled tight against the edge of the gray layer where it goes down to the windshield.



Hope this helps, any questions,just ask.

                                      Later,
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« Reply #32 on: July 5, 2007, 10:54:22 PM »

 Agree Brian you are the MAN  Cool Pics are prefect . karma for you!
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« Reply #33 on: July 6, 2007, 10:09:17 AM »

One more question and i'll leave you alone  Grin maybe LOL in the pic below the cut on the door frame was at the joint yes?







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« Reply #35 on: July 6, 2007, 02:42:34 PM »

UH, I'm not sure about a joint right there. I cut it long at first and then I trimmed both sides back for the metal arms that go around the door to hold the soft top up.  Which will be the next step that I have to do for the top to be complete (except for the body filler). I will get you the dimension that I used for a reference. Feel free to ask all questions you want, I think its cool that your interested in this. Remember not to use a sawzall on the roof, you need to use a cut off wheel, I used a 4" or 4.5" electric grinder and a die grinder. The sawzall will grab , shake, and generally mess things up in other words!!  Nahh, your not a pain!!
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« Reply #36 on: July 6, 2007, 05:43:57 PM »

Thanks i appreciate it  Cool I'll post my pics when i get cuttin.
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« Reply #37 on: September 3, 2007, 11:17:33 PM »

That thing is looking awesome. Good job
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« Reply #38 on: September 4, 2007, 09:30:34 AM »

Nice job, did you use pipe
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2007, 08:34:34 PM »

I have been thinking of removing the  pillars around the door windows and I am up for suggestions on how to fill in the gap between the soft top and the windows. Any Ideas?? (I want to keep my air-conditioner ,AKA wing glasses!)
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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2007, 11:31:41 PM »

How bad does that soft top leak when you are driving in the rain?
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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2007, 08:45:38 AM »

I have been thinking of removing the pillars around the door windows and I am up for suggestions on how to fill in the gap between the soft top and the windows. Any Ideas?? (I want to keep my air-conditioner ,AKA wing glasses!)

I would make soem caps out of sheetmetal and weld them on and grind the welds smooth. You may even get lucky and find the stock rubber weather strio to put over the caps you make.
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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2007, 10:09:57 PM »

Now, since I cut the top off that left me with this big open area in the back of the RC. To cure this problem I wanted to graft a pick-up tailgate on to the RC. So I finally got started on it last weekend.
First thing we did was cut the side plates off of the donor bed.We cut them big to start with..


Next we trimmed the excess metal from the side plates.These are made as separate items and the bed-sides are just spot welded to them...


Now you can see how the RC bed-sides are made in an angle to accommodate the lift-gate.This photo was taken after removing the hardware and before polishing all the paint off to prepare for welding the side plates in...


Now, after measuring the width of the RC tub ,we found that it was roughly about 1/4" or so wider than the tailgate.So we thought that we would just try to put the plates  directly on the tub sides. First we had to make some clearance holes in the tub (for the welds and such that are on the back of the side plates) then we just temporarily screwed them into place and started the test fits...



After some grinding of the pivots that stick out on the bottom of the side plates ,and a little grinding on the lower edge of the tailgate, it fit like it was made for it.I will say this though,the truck tailgate seems to have a different radius on the top of it ( the area from the upper crease to the  diamond plate  on top of this one)than what the rear of the RC has. As I've said before though.. I'm not to worried about it because it'll be alright! Hopefully tomorrow we will be able to finish it up. Later!..





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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2007, 10:41:56 PM »

Looks killer.
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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2007, 11:11:15 PM »

Looks killer.
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« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2007, 11:57:58 AM »

since you have a soft top on it, i don't think the different taper on the gate will matter much. love watching your progress, great looking truck.
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« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2007, 06:14:16 PM »

since you have a soft top on it, i don't think the different taper on the gate will matter much. love watching your progress, great looking truck.

Thanks blueduster! I appreciate it. Here is what we done today.
This shows how we boxed in the side plates with the RC tub that is tilted for the lift gate. Next we will just put some body filler on them and it will look like a professional did it,heehee. Grin
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Awesome job man  looks super!
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« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2007, 09:07:52 PM »

Awesome job man  looks super!
Thanks warlock ,but I can't take full credit because I dream this stuff up and my master fabricator Dad helps me with the projects.I can honestly say that without his help it wouldn't be anywhere near this stage! BTW he also has a Dodge stepside that has the warlock package on it.
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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2007, 06:11:10 PM »

I can move it if you want
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