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« Reply #1750 on: April 9, 2008, 01:28:58 AM »

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I don't see any Crown Royal on any of the shelves! Those springs are definitely 'trick'.

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« Reply #1751 on: April 10, 2008, 03:57:13 PM »

sweet job man. cant help but to wonder if you could have gotten the fronts cheaper by going directly to the custom spring shop to beguin with lol. 

whats the point of having a over/under eye loops?
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« Reply #1752 on: April 10, 2008, 07:27:45 PM »

sweet job man. cant help but to wonder if you could have gotten the fronts cheaper by going directly to the custom spring shop to beguin with lol.

whats the point of having a over/under eye loops?

yeah I wondered the same thing - I asked the guys at RMSS how much the fronts would have cost if I had them do the whole thing and they said it would have been at least double, so around $500 just for the fronts.  So, not a big difference, but really the main reason I started with the Chevy fronts was because I wanted to see just how close they would have come to a direct bolt-in, and found that while they would have bolted right in they wouldn't have been the best fit as far as articulation was concerned.  So, I kinda figured I'd be doing something custom along the way. 
The thing about the rear spring eye is the caster on the axle.  Without the downward turn (Dodge rear eye), if I had used the Chevy rear configuration, the spring would have 'sat' with a slight upward angle once all bolted up with the Dodge hardware (the axle would have been aiming slightly down), and that would have adversely jacked with the caster.  With the correct Dodge rear eyes the springs can bolt right in and have correct caster.  But, because I'm using a longer shackle I will also drop the front mounts the same amount as the shackles are longer (3/4"), so the spring will have the correct caster for the steering.
And with the huge 1-1/2" bushings the suspension will have much better flex potential than stock...and at least about as good as I can expect.
In the end I was trying to get leafs as inexpensively as possible - not to see how cheap I could be, but to upgrade the Dodge suspension by using the benefits the other, more popular makes enjoy.
That the rears bolt right up is sweet, and the springs are right off the shelf and have huge (1-3/4") bushings - great for flex.
So, for a 3/4-ton setup I'm hoping what's here will add up to a nice, forgiving ride while also carring the weight.

Sam,

I don't see any Crown Royal on any of the shelves! Those springs are definitely 'trick'.

I sent you a PM!

Yeah we haven't broke out the fresh bottle yet  Grin .  I'll be calling you this weekend John.

Now that is some serious redneck engineering Sam! I'm soooo proud of you! lol I have to do kinda the same thing to figure out how much my rear coils are gona compress.

 Tongue - yeah...well I had to figure it out somehow...and dropping a chassis on 'em seemed to be the proper thing to do!  Grin

I can't wait to see this thing in action! Wait... I think I said that about this time last year too??

...yeah...me too... Roll Eyes   'Sokay tho - I'm pretty confident this setup is gonna rock on pretty hard Agree

Smart move on the "over/under" eyes on that custom top leaf!!! It will make a difference, I'm sure of it. I need a set built too!

Lookin' good, Sam!!!

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Lemme know when dude and I'll have Mark fab up another set - noooooooo problem  Wink .

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« Reply #1753 on: April 17, 2008, 09:02:29 PM »

Just wanted to drop a line and give Sam props for the great deal he gave me on the dropped pitman arm! It looks brand new!
Definitely a good dude to deal with...as expected!
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« Reply #1754 on: April 18, 2008, 10:30:02 AM »

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« Reply #1755 on: April 19, 2008, 11:20:04 AM »

Just wanted to drop a line and give Sam props for the great deal he gave me on the dropped pitman arm! It looks brand new!
Definitely a good dude to deal with...as expected!
Thanks again Sam,
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It's all good amigo - glad you can use it Agree.  That arm was the one I used on a '74 P-Wagon 4x-dually I built a while back, so it's already quite 'seasoned'  Wink.

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 Have you thought about drive shafts & yoke size yet?

No major changes, but because of the 518/doubler gig the driveline length is about 4" longer than the old divorced setup and the rear shaft will be shortened and the front lengthened by a few inches.  The 205 will still have the Ford CV yokes and CV joints.

The voodoo is almost done.  The 205's input bearing hole has been machined open for the new GM 32-spline input shaft, and once the doubler kit arrives I'll mock it up and drill the front face of the 203 to match the 518's tailhousing, then it all gets put back together, blasted, painted, and installed.

The big wrench in the works is the rear Dana 70 - it is totally smoked  Cry.  Lots of problems inside it to include lots of side play and a roached ring and pinion (I'm lucky I didn't blow the spider gears out of it half way ito Hells Revenge...)Fortunately I have a spare D70 and just this morning it went down to my driveline guy, and between the two of them we're making one good one.  Nice part is, because I'm going back to leafs, the spring perches are already 'stock' and there are no air bag brackets to screw with (discovered the old 70 was junk after I had already spent $40 on sawzall blades cutting all of the old bracketry off the old housing...  Roll Eyes).  But that's 'racing' - ya fix it and move along.  At least the new D70 will be good to go, especially considering the torque going into it will be double what the big block had  Cool.

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« Reply #1756 on: April 19, 2008, 05:57:48 PM »

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Were those 1350s or 1410s? What hapened to the D70?
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« Reply #1757 on: April 20, 2008, 11:43:04 AM »

I'm using 1350's everywhere and 1410's just on the D70's input.  This axle, the one that's broken, was rebuilt many years ago back when I was in California and was under my first CTD truck.  It had spun both carrier bearings, gouged out the bearing landings, which allowed the carrier to slide back and forth, which destroyed the r&p...and with the debris generated internally that pretty much destroyed everything else.  Well, it seems the guy that did the work didn't do a great job and consequently it seems the same/similar thing happened again.  It pretty much roached everything inside.  The spare 70 I have is hopefully in good shape and will only need a rebuild, and we'll swap out the factory lim slip from the broken one into the fresh one.  I thought about a locker in the rear but I like the lim slip's manners for the street. 

Once the truck is running again I'm most likely pulling the front Eaton E-locker and replacing it with an ARB - just because of the way they work, the ARB is more what I want up front...and I'll sell the Eaton.

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« Reply #1758 on: April 20, 2008, 02:44:28 PM »

hey do you think that eaton will work in a rear d60?
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« Reply #1759 on: April 20, 2008, 03:26:21 PM »

hey do you think that eaton will work in a rear d60?

Yep - it'd be great as a rear locker Agree
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« Reply #1760 on: April 21, 2008, 09:06:23 PM »

...oh yeah...we're havin' fun now!   Tongue Roll Eyes Grin

....all the front (and rear) air bag bracketry is gone, and now on to the leaf spring mounts...





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« Reply #1761 on: April 22, 2008, 02:45:17 AM »

Just noticed your power steering cooler in that nice location. What did that come out of?
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« Reply #1762 on: April 22, 2008, 05:56:15 AM »

Wow!!!! I remeberrrr...doin' the Tiiiime Waaarrrp...

Lookin' good!!!

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« Reply #1763 on: April 22, 2008, 09:56:38 AM »

...it's just a jump to the left......and then a step to the riiiight....put your hand on your hips......  okay, enuf of that!  Cheesy

Just noticed your power steering cooler in that nice location. What did that come out of?

It's a nice aftermarket unit I got from Checker auto parts (I think it's actually a small tranny cooler...).  With the diesel though I'm most likely going to pull it and just run a big remote reservoir.  Not sure if the cooler limits the pumps 'flow' potential - my power steering never really felt right, but there could be several reasons for it - not sure it was the cooler.  It's on the low prewwure side anyways, but I might go up to a unit with bigger tubing later on.

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« Reply #1764 on: April 22, 2008, 10:23:47 AM »

I'm thinking the larger remote reservoir my self like the ones from Howe or appleton with the spin on filter on the bottom. I'll probably run a Howe tankless pump when I do my cross over & D70.
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« Reply #1765 on: April 22, 2008, 05:14:55 PM »

...it's just a jump to the left......and then a step to the riiiight....put your hand on your hips......  okay, enuf of that!  Cheesy

It's a nice aftermarket unit I got from Checker auto parts (I think it's actually a small tranny cooler...).  With the diesel though I'm most likely going to pull it and just run a big remote reservoir.  Not sure if the cooler limits the pumps 'flow' potential - my power steering never really felt right, but there could be several reasons for it - not sure it was the cooler.  It's on the low prewwure side anyways, but I might go up to a unit with bigger tubing later on.

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just an idea for you madmax. I'm going to be taking the "radiator" from a liquid cooled snowmobile in the front of my truck should work great as a power steering pump just have to make it fit. Depending on the snowmobile there about 6 inches wide and like 2-3 feet long
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« Reply #1766 on: April 22, 2008, 05:42:36 PM »

You can also get a p.s. cooler from a junkyard.

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« Reply #1767 on: April 22, 2008, 06:56:17 PM »

That's a nice simple fix there Ken - thanks for the pics - I'll most likely go with something like that.  I think I may have had too much flow restriction with the tranny cooler - dunno, but the steering never was 'right'.

Some suspension progress.

Rear shackle flip ready for final assembly.  Started with a '93 diesel rear shackle (from the donor) but the bolt hole was too big, then found a Dakota in the bone yard that had rear shackles that looked very similar to the RC ones (with the same bolt hole as the RC), and though they were a lot taller I just cut the tops off the Dak shackles and matched the holes, drilled everything, and ready to install.  Even gained another set of bolt for extra rigidity  Tongue (it was either that or weld 'em shut...)

Diesel on left, Dak on right:



After cutting and drilling.  One other note, the Dak shackles seem to have more 'interior' space up inside the shackle where the bushings 'sit', meaning there is more outer diameter room for a big poly bushing verse the older RC ones - just thought that was interesting, and quite useful Agree



I used this hole (indicated) for my 'alignment' hole - figured I'd try to use one of the ones already in the frame as a refrence point...



and in place ready for final install



Got the front going as well.  The uber front bushings meant a pretty wide hanger, and I used a piece of 4" square tube as the basis, chopped to fit, clearanced for the bolts, and added a 2"x2" section of 1/4" angle to reinforce the inner side.  Was kinda of a pain to make but it's really stout and should hold up well.  I'll reinforce the sides a bit, yet to do...



Plug welded the angle in 3 places and along the whole edge - should reinforce the 'side load' pretty well.  Using the factory holes between the frame and the front crossmember so no new drilling, just enlarging to 1/2" bolts.



Thick and meaty 1-1/2" bushings Agree



One of the downers was I had to chop up the front bumper to make room for the hanger when the front is flipped...oh well



Good progress, and the best news is the spare D70 is in good shape and it's just getting a fresh rebuild and we're swapping the lim slip and brakes, and it should be good to go Agree.

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« Reply #1768 on: April 23, 2008, 05:59:40 AM »

What year was the Dakota you got the hanger out of ?
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« Reply #1769 on: April 23, 2008, 07:08:11 PM »

Looks real good Sam....keep it up
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« Reply #1770 on: April 26, 2008, 09:58:57 AM »

just an idea for you madmax. I'm going to be taking the "radiator" from a liquid cooled snowmobile in the front of my truck should work great as a power steering pump just have to make it fit. Depending on the snowmobile there about 6 inches wide and like 2-3 feet long

Just an idea you could try a ps cooler from a late model Caravan.

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« Reply #1771 on: April 27, 2008, 08:40:13 AM »

What year was the Dakota you got the hanger out of ?


   (I thought I had a pic of it...)  - Looks like it was an '00 Dak.  Pretty interesting that ole Ma Mopar was still using the same basic style of hangers for the suspension in '00 as she was in '72, eh Agree



Doubler kit is in 'da mail  Smiley  Once it's here I'll mock it all up, make the cross members, dial in the 203, then assemble once and for all.  Plus, the D70 aught to be done pretty soon - my bud Darrel assures me the spare is good to go and will be for a nice long time - no blown out bearings or ring and pinions.  I'm reaaaaally getting stoked...

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« Reply #1772 on: April 27, 2008, 09:18:06 AM »

Very cool. Can't wait to see the Doubler setup. FINALLY, I'll be finishing my crossmember up today. I have plenty of food for thought for you, when you get to your crossmember. See ya!!!

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« Reply #1773 on: April 28, 2008, 12:42:35 PM »

I know dude - me too!  Cheesy  I think the double gig is gonna work pretty derned well, expecially with the 6BT Agree

Well I decided that I don't need the air bags and I'm not planning to use 'em ever, so they're up for grabs.  They're not busted, just not big enough for my RC.  Also sellin' the tranny cooler.  Here's the link to the classifieds in case anyone's interested...bottom of the thread...

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« Reply #1774 on: April 28, 2008, 10:49:37 PM »

Hey Sam thanks a ton for the write up on the 94-01 steering arms fitting the older steering boxes.  I knew i had seen it in your build and verified it on page 29.  I found one on ebay for 25 bucks.  Thanks again

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« Reply #1775 on: April 29, 2008, 06:01:20 AM »

   (I thought I had a pic of it...)  - Looks like it was an '00 Dak.  Pretty interesting that ole Ma Mopar was still using the same basic style of hangers for the suspension in '00 as she was in '72, eh Agree





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Well? Did you get your ORD stuff?

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« Reply #1777 on: April 30, 2008, 08:43:00 PM »

yuuuuup  Smiley - dude...this stuff is sa-weeeet.  I'm pretty impressed with the big uber adaptor.  Mocked it all up today and it looks like it's good to go.  Have to perform a bit of voodoo on one of the spacers from AA and have to clock/drill the front face of the 203 but I'm pretty stoked about it all.
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the 205 clocks up flat Agree - it's the Chevy pattern that allows this





The stub shaft and 1" adaptors from Advanced Adaptors - all required to confidently bolt a 203 to the back of a 518 - (confidently = have better than 'good enough' spline engagement)



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« Reply #1778 on: April 30, 2008, 10:34:05 PM »

  I think I may have had too much flow restriction with the tranny cooler - dunno, but the steering never was 'right'.
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I am running the old factory auto tranny cooler from my 92 CTD as the PS cooler on my truck and it is working well.  Temps seem fine, no problems this winter either.  I am using it in the factory location as I now have no auto tranny.  PSC recommends having the cooler lower than I do, but that is mainly to help bleed the system of air. (that was a huge pain)
My reservoir is right behind it between the batteries and the radiator.  Lots easier to fill too.
I don't know how you are planning on cooling the 518, or how your intercooler plumbing is going to work so it might not fit your core support like it does the CTD support.

Sweet fab work as always.  I am looking on intently as I am really debating the 6bt option more and more for mine. I am waiting for the trail reports from you and Andy before I commit to the 440, 6BT, 4BT option.
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« Reply #1779 on: April 30, 2008, 11:56:11 PM »

I don't know how you are planning on cooling the 518, or how your intercooler plumbing is going to work so it might not fit your core support like it does the CTD support.


Right now I'm thinking of using the ex-engine oil cooler as the tranny cooler (bigger tubing to match the CTD tranny config), and the intercooler...well...not sure yet.  Planning to use the factory I/C and make a lot of mods to the core support to make it all fit....core support needs help anyway.

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   It seems like not that long ago you where putting your truck together, wait it wasn't all that long ago, but love the new direction.
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« Reply #1781 on: May 6, 2008, 04:39:40 PM »

Hey M2.  Thats a hell of an adapter!  The Nacho is gonna be even sweeter than before and thats impressive!  Agree  Have you gotten my PM's?  They have been kinda hit or miss with people lately and i cant tell who has received em.

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« Reply #1782 on: May 6, 2008, 05:10:47 PM »

How are you going to run the OD & lock up converter? I'm looking to use a 518 in mine so I'm taking notes Wink.
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« Reply #1783 on: May 6, 2008, 11:33:02 PM »

It seems like not that long ago you where putting your truck together, wait it wasn't all that long ago, but love the new direction.

Thanks - I'm real happy with the diesel/leafs change over too.  I'm much less worried about the suspension now and I know I'm going to be real happy with the diesel.

Hey M2. Thats a hell of an adapter! The Nacho is gonna be even sweeter than before and thats impressive! Agree Have you gotten my PM's? They have been kinda hit or miss with people lately and i cant tell who has received em.

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Thanks Sam - no doubt, this aluminum adaptor from ORD is by far the strongest and biggest custom adaptor I've ever seen - it's just massive  Shocked  For a 'production' custom piece it's damned impressive.  Thanks for the props there bud - we're really hoping the rig ends up being the uber-reliable and uber strong camping/trail rig we wanted all along.

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« Reply #1784 on: May 7, 2008, 12:27:21 AM »

The stub shaft and 1" adaptors from Advanced Adaptors - all required to confidently bolt a 203 to the back of a 518 - (confidently = have better than 'good enough' spline engagement)





I would like to get a set of the spacers, and the stub shaft. Do you have part numbers or should I just ask for the Mad Max special?
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« Reply #1785 on: May 7, 2008, 02:41:22 AM »

The plan is to have the O/D use the stock '93 wiring harness and PCM, but there isn't a lock-up on the '93 and earlier tranny's, only on the '94-up 2nd gen rigs.  Should be 'plug-n-play'.  Just get 12v to the PCM, plug in the harness, and all the sensors and controlls should be good to go and function just like a stock '93.  Definitely good to start with a complete donor rig so you can get all the wiring and controlls, etc Agree.

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« Reply #1787 on: May 7, 2008, 11:58:39 AM »

Sam. What is the spline count on that stub adapter? 23 male/23Female, no? Just curious. Have a thought spinning in the back of my mind?

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Yep, 23 & 23.
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« Reply #1789 on: May 7, 2008, 09:19:55 PM »

Yep, 23 & 23.

- straight from 'The' horse - yup, 23/23.  I'm trying to find the part number, but it's a 23 female/23 male stub shaft.  The spacers are P/N AS-0404, btw.

Okay, got some front leaf pics - really happy how these are turning out.  Just kinda loose mounted but I think the mounts and angles came out real nice.  These pics are 'unloaded' - under load they will arch/swing rearward about an inch and that's where they'll stay most of the time...and there's plenty of room...and more importantly there's lots of available forward swing angle for letting the suspension drop into whatever hole it finds Agree.  Again, these front springs are Pro Comp '85 Chevy K20 Suburban 3/4 ton springs...with a custom 'Dodge' top leaf made locally. 











....AND...my 'Apollo 13' moment of the year - transporting the 6BT to get blasted...and just as we're getting to the interstate off ramp...the friggin receiver for the engine stand slid out...and the mighty Cummins fell straight down and just kindof sat within it's own pile of debris.  One minute it's sittin purty, the next it's laying on it's ass.  These pics are after two of us hefted up the nose and stuffed a big arse wedge under the pan...





Holy hell I nearly shat myself.  Pulled over, tossed on a couple more tie downs to keep it from falling over, and proceeded to the blaster...only to get rained out - yeah this afternoon pretty much sucked  Tongue.  But, fortunately the engine fell square down and not off the side of the trailer while smoking along at 75 mph.
Got home, righted the engine, rebuilt the legs, and we'll retry the trip to the blaster in about a week. 
Moral to the story - the bolt that helps keep the engine from rotating in the stand...crank that sucker down tight before transporting - don't forget it exists like I did....or, better yet, drill a safety hole and toss in a bolt so it cannot move.  Yikes, that could have been baaaaaad.

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Hey Sam did that dakota have a body lift on it by any chance? It looks like one of my ex's.  Also I got that check sent off to ya!
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Not sure if it did or not - it was pretty mangled...I only happened to notice the rear hangers by chance - wasn't even looking at a Dak for hangers but caught a glimpse and chopped 'em off.

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Not sure if it did or not - it was pretty mangled...I only happened to notice the rear hangers by chance - wasn't even looking at a Dak for hangers but caught a glimpse and chopped 'em off.

Cool on the $ bud - we'll get 'dem coils done the first night Cool.

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« Reply #1793 on: May 11, 2008, 07:25:56 AM »

So...How's it going down there? Done yet?

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« Reply #1794 on: May 12, 2008, 04:35:22 PM »

Got my end links today.  They're perfect.  Thanks again M2!

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So...How's it going down there? Done yet?

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Tongue Grin naww...nothing new since getting the front leafs in place - been focusing 100% on work - been pretty stressful lately but it's coming around.  May be doing round 2 of blasting Thurs or Fri - if I can keep the 6BT from falling off the trailer I'm hoping to get it and the parts blasted and painted, then get the t-case(s) assembled, then install it, then build some kind of mega-crossmember for the tranny/t-case, then uhhh....then....heck I forgot what was next...prolly because I'm sleep-deproved over the last couple weeks....
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« Reply #1796 on: May 12, 2008, 11:13:16 PM »

Yep theres enough  Smiley  I decided to scratch the 4 link idea in favor of a one link so i need 4 for the panhard bars and then the others i will use as frame tie-ins for the roll cage to give it some flex and isolation from the frame.  Should work out perfect Cool  Thanks again!

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« Reply #1797 on: May 15, 2008, 07:17:17 AM »

Cool - ya gots to post up some pics of how that goes Agree.

Some recent pics of the 'voodoo' for the 203 -

Once the doubler was mocked up I could then mark the holes in the front face of the 203 so I can get ready to drill and tap the holes so it'll all bolt up.

You have to set the bearing in place and install the bearing retainer so the 518 has something to center itself  -



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At this point, the case housings are ready to blast, paint, assemble, and install.  Before I paint the engine I'm going to adjust the valves, kill the KDP, and re-seal the whole thing. 

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« Reply #1798 on: May 16, 2008, 09:07:33 PM »

Looks good!!! More pics, please!

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« Reply #1799 on: May 17, 2008, 03:06:49 PM »

is that it? i have always been afraid to do stuff like that.lol  i guess its just the machinest in me every thing has to be perfect
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