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« on: July 21, 2009, 07:31:32 PM » |
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EDIT - As of July 2010 Ole Red is now at his new home in Virginia  Original post (beginning July 2009) follows... ...here's the new 'driver'  In case this truck looks familiar it's because it is - this is Andy's old RC. The short story is I needed a simple, all-weather 4wd vehicle - our little '73 Dart was just not up to the all-weather challenge, so I posted the Dart for sale and started looking for a nice '92-93 Ramcharger. About the same time I find out Andy's RC was also for sale..........so we both started doing a bunch of this  followed by some of this  and we got to talkin' and we did a bit of horse swappin'...which was followed by lots of this  - worked out great for both of us. Of course I'm real happy to begin with such a solid truck. It's a bit rough around the edges, but considering it's Cummins-powered it gets really good fuel mileage, and that was a major reason I nixed the search for a '92-93 gas-powered RC. I really like the D61/71 combo with the 3.07 gears - really drives great especially with the 31" tires - I'll never go any bigger. And with the 366 governor spring in the pump the engine gets up enough rpm to do good highway speeds. So, my all-year/all-weather driver it has become. Of course, as usual, I wanted to smooth out some of those rough edges a bit, which meant softening up the ride in the back end. The rear leaf pack was from the '91 donor truck and it included the super Uber thick 5/8" base leaf spring, and that dude made for a pretty stiff back end ride. So today I pulled just that one leaf and that made a pretty dramatic difference - lots softer ride  . original leaf pack -   and the super leaf -  Just that single mongo leaf made the ride buck-board stiff. Without a ton of additional weight in the rear it was just too stiff. Without it, it's just right. Sure there are lots of plans, but think along the lines of a nice, restored Canyon Sport model RC and that's where this truck is heading. What about Nacho?....well let's just say it's more tractor that driver, and it is going to be what it was supposed to be in the first place, my trail rig. It too has plans, but that's another story  . - Sam
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 07:57:31 PM » |
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cool beans. i still may get that 6bt that is sitting at my old bank teller's house. if so i'll have to go back through yours and andy's threads. can't make up my mind, worse i have plenty of time to think about it. oh well. glad his truck ended up in good hands.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 04:07:58 AM » |
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@Sam: I did that leaf-delete to my M880 too and had exactly the same experience. It flexes a lot better too...
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 12:13:44 AM » |
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installed a muffler today - Magnaflow 36" universal diesel unit, #12773 - nice, relatively quiet mellow sound  . Oh yeah, one last thing - band clamps rock  
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 11:19:02 AM » |
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Congrats on the new ride!!!! Whats going to be the first change?
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 03:13:08 PM » |
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wow thats a change .....
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 07:45:09 PM » |
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wow thats a change .....
 - what's a change?? You mean a non-Ubermodified vehicle? Uh-yeah, that's the idea...  Not much will 'change' - it's going to remain a simple daily driver. The changes to it will make it a really nice daily driver. For the short term, just to get the suspension a bit more forgiving and the exhaust a lot less loud were the biggies. I want to get the A/C working, and swap in the hardware for both cruise and intermittent wipers. I'd like to drop in a 518 but I doubt I'll do that any time soon. Down the road...dunno - nothing anytime soon tho - and you can quote me 
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 07:49:24 PM » |
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Huh  Just when you think all is quiet on the western front, you and Andy who-do all of us. Just funning with you! I think that this deal is really cool! As with everybody else, who's ears just perked up, I will be watching this one
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 08:15:26 PM » |
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i am super glad someone on the site ended up with ol red ..... andy is gonna miss her
and i give it a month till you modify something
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 09:07:03 PM » |
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Andrew's family already misses her...She's in good hands though...A "rig" for the daughter has become pretty important...An Honor Role, 17 y.o. daughter, who is one of my best friends, deserves something a bit "special"...
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 09:20:15 PM » |
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An Honor Role, 17 y.o. daughter, who is one of my best friends, deserves something a bit "special"...
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Just that you can say yer daughter is one of your best friends is pretty awesome there Andy. Good on you and Beck. Really great to hear of children who actually want and enjoy being near and being active with their folks - that's a great achievement  . Figure out how you did that, put it in a book, sell a bazillion copies and retire amigo 
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 07:41:04 PM » |
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and i give it a month till you modify something
nawww...much of the reason for this deal is so that I won't have to 'modify' anything - that was a lot of the point. Upgrades like bolting in the A/C condenser and plugging in the cruise control, that's different. I have enough fabrication coming down the road with Nacho and Mack. This RC will just be a good driver.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 07:43:51 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2009, 10:09:45 PM » |
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what are your planss for the spring leafs you took out???
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2009, 10:28:09 PM » |
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well the big uberleaf is not going back in if that's what ya mean  It was only one leaf per side and it was a seriously thick leaf, 5/8" at the mid section  .
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 07:03:27 PM » |
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Makes me wanna swap the CTD out of my 01, looks good.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 06:53:41 PM » |
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gotta agree with sam on that. i could only wish for that relationship with my 13 yr old daughter. i do with my youngest who was in moab with us. Andrew's family already misses her...She's in good hands though...A "rig" for the daughter has become pretty important...An Honor Role, 17 y.o. daughter, who is one of my best friends, deserves something a bit "special"...
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Andrew's family already misses her...She's in good hands though...A "rig" for the daughter has become pretty important...An Honor Role, 17 y.o. daughter, who is one of my best friends, deserves something a bit "special"...
Andrew
so what did she get?
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2009, 03:41:07 AM » |
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and i give it a month till you modify something
it's been over a month - no mods  . so what did she get?
not sure, but I'm certain he's working on something pretty kewl 
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2009, 10:49:31 PM » |
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Andrew's family already misses her...She's in good hands though...A "rig" for the daughter has become pretty important...An Honor Role, 17 y.o. daughter, who is one of my best friends, deserves something a bit "special"...
Andrew
Totally agree Andy! I have a daughter that is turning 16 next year and we plan on building something together. Right now its 50/50 with the 77 RC or a 64 2wd Studebaker P/U... Similar amount of work on either. Good Luck and have fun with the kids!
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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2009, 11:08:05 PM » |
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Ya know.. im not opposed to being adopted. If anyone wants to build me a truck im sure we can make a deal. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2009, 11:10:46 PM » |
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Ya know.. im not opposed to being adopted. If anyone wants to build me a truck im sure we can make a deal.  .......do you do dishes? 
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.......do you do lowered airbag setups and triangulated 4 links?
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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2009, 09:10:57 PM » |
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okay so pulling the uber leaf out made the ride a lot better but it also made it ride a bit lower in the back...and that's just unsatisfactory  , so this afternoon I fixed it the simple way. 2.5" of lift for $40 bucks. I took a set of spare 6" factory blocks I had from a Cummins donor truck and replaced the 3.5" blocks that were in there. The difference was just right, but it required $40 bucks worth of new, longer u-bolts from Predator 4wd in town. ...before...  ...old block...  ...new block...  ...after  - I so like the simple ones...  
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2009, 10:57:47 PM » |
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so like all 1st gen ve44 pumps...because of the new ULSD fuel...the older o-rings (like the ones inside our beloved ve44s) will start to leak - sooner or later. Without the older additives and sulfer the o-rings will get hard and shrink...and sooner or later the pumps will all start to sweat, and eventually, leak. Red's pump started bleeding about 2 weeks ago, and yesterday I did something about it. The first o-ring to fail was on the governor thrust rod - the one impossible to get at without pulling the pump. It's behind/under the tip of the screwdriver, between the fuel feed and the KSB line - IOW, impossible to get at...  another view  It's the main rod that the governor drum and flyweights rotate on...and there is a bunch of small parts associated with it. I didn't know this, so when I pulled the rod out to replace the o-ring...all the little pieces inside fell off. Oops. So, I pulled off the top of the pump...no big deal...and had a look. After a bunch of research, here is what I believe to be an accurate exploded view of the governor thrust rod:  The main drum is gear-driven off the main shaft. When reassembling, the orientation of the drum to the gear below it is irrelevant - plop it in wherever. Here's what the drum, etc look like when assembled -  Since the pump was out I also replaced the throttle shaft and full-fuel o-rings. Again, if you have an older pump, odds are yours will start bleeding too, and you will have to go in and update the o-rings. Once that is done the new fuel will soak the new o-rings appropriately, and they shouldn't need replacing again. As well, in order to get to the inside nut holding the pump in place, you have to contort yourself to get at the nut. Or, one suggestion I can make is take that old small block mopar distributor wrench, shorten it about 4 inches, re-weld it, and there's your access wrench  . Works great for both inside pump retainer nuts.  Since you've got the welder out, make yourself a oil pressure sending unit socket too. Take that standard shallow well oil pressure sending unit socket, cut it in half, and take the oldest, most unused impact socket that will fit the new unit housing, and weld yourself a nice deep-well socket  .   The other little gear-puller-looking device is...uh er...a gear-puller device I made specifically for pulling loose the gear that drives the injection pump. This one is nice and small, and plenty strong, and instead of cranking down on a puller main screw I just tighten down on the two outer bolts against the main shaft - same difference, same effect. Fits great, and I have a feeling I'll be using it again... Oh by the way - NAPA doesn't stock a '91 Cummins oil pressure sending unit, but they do stock one for a same year magnum. umm yeah - same thing  pump is back together and back in the truck, and is running fine, but I think I have the full-fuel screw a bit too far in and the timing a bit too advanced. I had a bit more blue-white haze on start-up this morning, but it was very cold, so I'll confirm once the weather is warmer.
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« Reply #33 on: December 2, 2009, 12:04:17 AM » |
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...after  - I so like the simple ones...   Me likey! 
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« Reply #34 on: December 2, 2009, 04:08:58 AM » |
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Nice write up Sam. I didn't do that "O" ring when I had my pump off & apart & now I wish I knew about it. Hopefully I'll get a year out of it before it leaks.
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« Reply #35 on: December 2, 2009, 11:00:05 AM » |
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« Reply #36 on: January 1, 2010, 07:08:34 AM » |
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Sam First Happy New Year!! And It's tomorrow!! Is red moving under it's own power again?
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« Reply #37 on: January 1, 2010, 06:23:30 PM » |
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not yet - discovered some very interesting differences between a non-intercooled (89-91) and an intercooled (91-93) early 6BT that I never seen or heard tell about - these caused some minor setbacks that sucked up some time but I think I got it worked out. I've got pics of the whole last three week swap-o-rama, and I should have the rig running tomorrow. I've got pics for the entire swap, but I wanted to make sure it all worked before posting up. Stay tuned 
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« Reply #38 on: January 4, 2010, 12:24:30 AM » |
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...overdrive...is good  . So, okay, here's the story. About a month ago we had some really, really cold days and nights - like -10 degrees cold. And I was working crew those three nights, and each and every morning at 5 am when i came out to fire up ole' Red...it cranked and cranked and eventually fired up and got me home. Cool. It took some coaxing, but it fired up each night, but each night it seemed to get a bit worse. Well on day 4, on my normal morning routine to work, the truck fired up, got about 200 yards, and quit. Had crank, had air, but apparantly had no fuel. Now it was still at/below 0 degrees, so I thought maybe gelling fuel...but it hadn't happened the previous three below 0* nights, so why now. Tank was full, plenty of anti-gel, etc. Checked power to the FSO - good. Hmmm. Not a good sign. Everything that should have power has it, but no fuel.......and I discovered the injection pump is leaking, badly, between the FSO and the main body. Well that can't be good....Now, Old Red has about 300,000 miles on 'er - no joke. And apparantly the IP finally gave up the ghost. Well that's 'okay' - I gotta give props where props are due. The rig has been plenty faithful, and it's 'due' some 'issues'. So.....what do I do now? I asks myself. Well, there were a couple options, and the obvious one was to have the IP rebuilt, and there's only one place I'll send it to have that done - up to PDR. They do it right, and it costs $1200 to do it right. When the time comes that's what I'll have done to the pump....but for ole' Red.... I had a better idea. I've been wanting to install a 518 overdrive in the rig since I bought it....and I just happened to have a fresh 518...bolted up to a pretty fresh 6bt Cummins...all from a truck previously known as Nacho......and that engine has about 160,000 less miles on it, and it works like a champ. Hmmmmm. Maybe it's time to give Red a heart traansplant i says to myself. And hey I'll get an overdrive in the process....and I won't have to pay the big bucks to have the IP rebuilt! Hey that's sounds like a bueno idea to me  . So, making good use of some time off I had for the holidays, I prepped the operating table, and began open engine bay surgery. Along the way I discovered some very interesting things, the best of which is overdrive in a 3.07-geared truck is absolute bliss  !! Here's how it went. First, rolled Nacho’s carcass into the shop, and my buddy Morgan and I pulled the 140,000-mile ’93 6bt/518 combo out and set it on the ground.  Then in the bay next to it I pulled Red’s high-mile ’91 6bt out, and dropped the 205 and 727 out the bottom. Note – pulling the front end/core support out was the smartest thing I ever did! Then I compared both engine/tranny combos and swapped the fittings/lines from the old engine over to the newer engine so Red’s chassis would work as before with the new engine in place. One-for-one swap – pretty standard. Couple of interesting things tho – First, I didn’t know the vacuum pump was different on the earlier (non-intercooled) trucks. This is a pic of the intercooled –  And this is a pic of the non-IC –  Quite a bit different. The non-IC has no oil line feed – plugged it off at the block. It also has an amazingly difficult lower mount bolt to reach. I had to get at it from below the tranny with all the 3/8 socket extensions I had. It is at least as difficult to reach that bolt as is the lower rear nut on the IP. Then I needed to move the tranny crossmember rearward a bit so it would line up with the 518. This required drilling one-each new holes on both sides of the bottom of the frame. In order to do the conversion to the 518, the crossmember needs to be mounted about 2.5 inches rearward, while also flipping the 1/4" uber mount plate so the twin oval holes are facing forward. This gives the exact spacing necessary for the stock 3-prong 518 ‘claw’ to mount to the crossmember. Measure between the 3 lower bolt holes, and drill a ‘forth’ hole rearward of the existing three, same spacing. Maneuver the lower main crossmember into place, install the new '1st' bolt (it’s the only one that will fit without mods), snug it up a bit, then hog out the remaining 2 more holes so the bolts will go through. It’s hard to explain but it becomes self-explanitory when yer doing it. The upper mounts have their own issue – once you move the corresponding upper bracket rearward one bolt’s worth…you can’t get the front bolt out without lifting the body up about an inch…and I didn’t feel like going through all the headache, so I just used the two remaining bolts and called it good. I did however bolt up the first one just so it wouldn’t rattle. This is the crossmember, facing forward, with the main plate flipped once so the two holes face forward. Do this and the 518 claw mount with bolt right up…at least it did for mine.  So hardware modified and fittings swapped, my wife and I install the new engine and tranny – we chained the engine more or less standard, but used a strap to balance out the tranny. Worked great despite some clearance issues with the strap and firewall. And the 518 installed –  Then, linkage. Had to bring the t-case shifter mount back a bit to line up with the floor. Before –  …after…  Then, bolt up the front clip. This is where things got interesting. Upon bolting up the radiator/fan shroud, I discovered another difference between a non-IC and an IC engine. Have a look – Non IC –  IC –  Notice the fan hub location and thermostat orientation? Look again – Non-IC –  IC –  Oh yeah, the pulleys are different too – (non-IC on left)  I simply swapped the fan and thermostat units from one engine to the other. Also, the serpentine belts do not swap from one engine to the other. Then it was time to hook up the wiring, and the overdrive. I used the same pressure switch I used on Nacho to activate the overdrive, with a simple switch at the tip of the stock lever to cancel the o/d when I want. Overdrive kicks in right about 48 mph, and that is adjustable by 'tuning' the pressure switch setting. Works great.   Next, modified both driveshafts to fit the longer tranny/t-case location. $175 and that was done. This is how much shorter a 727 is compared to a 518. Shafts need to be modified just about as much –  The result – Truck will still hum right along at 60 mph no sweat…in 3rd…but hit the od, and it has HUGE legs. 75 mph is a breeze. I can’t wait to determine the net fuel mileage increase, but I’m hoping for at least 2 mph more. By the way, these are the best shop lights you’ll ever use – without a ‘filament’ they don’t seem to want to break…at all! Sweet!  And if you’re using a sawzall without these blades you don’t know what yer missing!  Hopefully, the truck will go a 100k miles before anything else goes wrong! Been a fun 3 weeks  - Sam
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« Reply #40 on: January 4, 2010, 05:58:39 PM » |
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Looks great Sam!!! Did you use the doubler setup or just the 205?
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« Reply #41 on: January 4, 2010, 07:22:35 PM » |
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I thought reeeaaaaaal seriously about bolting in the doubler, but opted not to because I just don't see this particular truck 'needing' it near as much as Bud will. Plus, whatever stuff I rob from Bud will just cost that much more when its turn comes up.....tho I would like to bolt up an Atlas under Bud. Nonononono...good as-is  .
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« Reply #42 on: January 4, 2010, 07:47:27 PM » |
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An Atlas would really affect the overall budget!!!! But it would be COOOOOOOOOL 
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« Reply #43 on: January 4, 2010, 11:38:18 PM » |
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boy do i know what you mean. it's hard to reign yourself in sometimes.  I thought reeeaaaaaal seriously about bolting in the doubler, but opted not to because I just don't see this particular truck 'needing' it near as much as Bud will. Plus, whatever stuff I rob from Bud will just cost that much more when its turn comes up.....tho I would like to bolt up an Atlas under Bud. Nonononono...good as-is  .
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« Reply #44 on: January 5, 2010, 12:47:57 AM » |
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« Reply #45 on: January 5, 2010, 04:56:49 AM » |
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The term staying within budget is when you don't have to go to the finance board(Wife) for more money  .
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« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2010, 08:03:11 PM » |
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arnt you worried the weight of the 205 is gona break the od hosing?
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arnt you worried the weight of the 205 is gona break the od hosing?
205s have been hanging on od housing in Dodges ctd autos from 91,5 to 93. Mine broke in a wreck when the po died at the wheel at 60+ mph.
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2010, 02:37:55 AM » |
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hey im wonderin if the reason the fan pully local is diff because the old blue motor is a ac and yours isnt. cause my 94 has a lowerd fan mount as well.
was also wondering if i could get som picts of your powersteering pump and hoses with it int he truck. i have the same vac pump as you do and havin a bit of a problem with the lines hitting the mount it self.
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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2010, 07:01:55 PM » |
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sorry Ben - I somehow missed your questions there. The A/C thing is an interesting point - not sure. Both engines had A/C so maybe that isn't the case. Haveta ponder that'n a bit more. I'll git some pics for you ...soon as I find my camera, again.... As a bit of an update - I've got the RC rolling good now and I'm working on a good fuel mileage check. If my math is right, 60 mph is ~1400 rpm - just loafing along, and 75 mph is just over 1700 rpm. Now I've needed tires for a while and I've been so impressed with my MTZs that I got a set of Mickey Thompson ATZ Plus Radials coming - 245/75r16s coming (30.5"x9.5") http://www.4wheelparts.com/Tires/Mickey-Thompson-Baja-ATZ-Plus-Radial.aspx?t_c=13&t_s=161&t_pt=100794&t_pl=2883&t_pn=M%2fT5161I've wanted to go smaller all along and these should bring my rpms up just right; 60 mph = just over 1400 rpm and 75 mph = 1800 rpm - exactly where I want it. And with a smaller tire there is less rolling resistance and that should equate to a bit better mileage. This truck is my all-weather daily-driver so with that in mind I am keeping my tire size a bit smaller, but then again I don't need much tire when I have this much 'gear'. I love the overdrive btw - the truck cruises really great. I had to put the stock non-I/C turbo and collar back on for now - the one from Nacho wouldn't clear the hood (I forgot about the 3" body lift  ), but I'm going to do a bit of voodoo to get the 12cm collar and HX-35 back in there around the same time I do the tires, and then I'll do a fuel comparison again. Good experimentation - M2
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