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« Reply #250 on: March 26, 2010, 05:38:24 AM »

You can dip tank, pour and slosh (like coating inside of gas tank), spray through access holes like ziebart and other rust creaters inhibitors do, OR you don't even have to coat it. Ya but won't it rust?....Not if it is primered before boxing. Ya but won't the primer burn off during welding?....not if you use aluminum oxide primer.

Has bits of aluminum in it, when "burnt" transforms to aluminum oxide, that protective layer that makes aluminum dull. Also acts as a deoxidizer/shielding "flux" for the back side of the weld.

Slosh or dip method does a thorough coating, although man handling the frame around may be tricky (ya ya we want to see you build a rotisserie and dunk tank) Spraying is easy but not as thorough. Bloxide could be a fair compromise between thorough and easy.
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« Reply #251 on: March 26, 2010, 09:36:50 AM »

I've got the rotisserie, but not a tank Tongue....and no I'm not planning to build one Wink.  I'd like to try to find a long extension tip to a paint gun with a 360* nozzle at the end and screw it onto the end of a paint gun... and just spray away.
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« Reply #252 on: March 26, 2010, 09:39:48 AM »

I think you should something similar to the "1 Tone of Fun" build on pirate 4x4 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448507


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« Reply #253 on: March 26, 2010, 09:57:20 AM »

I'd like to try to find a long extension tip to a paint gun with a 360* nozzle at the end and screw it onto the end of a paint gun... and just spray away.


That would be the ziebart way. Maybe they don't have that type of business out your way? I know living in michigan, there were rust proofing shops on every corner. They use a special undercoating gun and long wands. Drill access holes all over the place, shoot goo through the holes and plug the hole with a body plug.

http://www.eastwood.com/prof-undercoating-gun.html
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« Reply #254 on: March 26, 2010, 11:42:41 AM »

oh I'm very familiar with ziebart, but I'm pretty sure it is the very best way to trap water and mud and everything else right against the metal it's supposed to protect.  So, I'll just slap some paint in there and call it good.

I did wonder if Eastwood had some sort of paint wand - that's really the ideal way to go.  Maybe I can adapt a pressure washer tip to a piece of 1/8" brake line - there's always a way...
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« Reply #255 on: March 26, 2010, 01:07:51 PM »

i was thinking with the clubcab duce of putting a camping area instead of a bed and using it for a tow rig. with rockwells and 50 inch tires a recovery rig if i get to stuck lol
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« Reply #256 on: March 27, 2010, 11:19:58 AM »

oh I'm very familiar with ziebart, but I'm pretty sure it is the very best way to trap water and mud and everything else right against the metal it's supposed to protect.  So, I'll just slap some paint in there and call it good.

I did wonder if Eastwood had some sort of paint wand - that's really the ideal way to go.  Maybe I can adapt a pressure washer tip to a piece of 1/8" brake line - there's always a way...

I wonder if Eastwood's products are better? The 80 snow Commander I got for parts was Ziebarted. It was completely rusted out. Even the cute little plastic plugs they install after drilling the door sill was rusting through.
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« Reply #257 on: March 28, 2010, 09:13:25 PM »

So, I'll just slap some paint in there and call it good.

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« Reply #259 on: April 1, 2010, 11:52:24 AM »

How did I get dragged into this?

...'Cummins-powered crewcab trail rig' - only so many of those being built, and I've been taking notes on yours for my own Wink
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As have most of us Crew cab owners  Grin
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« Reply #261 on: April 7, 2010, 10:16:47 PM »

dont know if you saw it, but i have a 'simple radio' that i could send your way if interested
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it's cool - I don't really know which way to go on radios just yet, but I'll ping ya when time comes.  You got a pic or two you could PM me?
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it's cool - I don't really know which way to go on radios just yet, but I'll ping ya when time comes.  You got a pic or two you could PM me?

somewhere i do. if i cant find them on my comp, i'll snap a few new ones for you this weekend.
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« Reply #264 on: April 20, 2010, 09:41:13 PM »

wellll  suck Angry - my 518 core, the one I got from the JY, the one I thought was a diesel 518...isn't.  When I saw the core in the JY it had a 6-bolt torque converter inserted into it, which, I thought, meant it was a diesel tranny.  After trying to mock up the tranny this afternoon to the back of my 6BT bell adapter I noticed the whole mating area is too small .
So, I ask myself, if it isn't a diesel tranny, why did it have a 6-bolt converter like the diesel's have?  The two immediate possibilities I come up with are, 1) it's a gasser 518 with a diesel converter stuck in it (which fooled me into thinking it was a diesel tranny), and 2) some manner of gasser 518's had 6 bolt converters like the diesel's do.  Note - the converter does not look like a (gasser) lock-up converter, but the electric solenoid plug in has 3 pins, not the diesel 2.  I won't make this mistake again, and I hope after reading this no one else does either.

So, I offer it up to the masses - anyone know of the gasser 518's have 6-bolt converters?  maybe the 1-tons or something?  Either way...ummm I have a gasser 518 core for sale  Roll Eyes....aaaaand if anyone out there has a complete, rebuildable A-518 4wd diesel core ('92-93 only - I don't need a newer lock-up unit) lemme know.

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not from the factory as far as i can remember. some of the internals were up graded in the last years of the 518/46re but not the t/c. i've heard/read about tranny shops doing all kinds of stuff with them.
wellll  suck Angry - my 518 core, the one I got from the JY, the one I thought was a diesel 518...isn't.  When I saw the core in the JY it had a 6-bolt torque converter inserted into it, which, I thought, meant it was a diesel tranny.  After trying to mock up the tranny this afternoon to the back of my 6BT bell adapter I noticed the whole mating area is too small .
So, I ask myself, if it isn't a diesel tranny, why did it have a 6-bolt converter like the diesel's have?  The two immediate possibilities I come up with are, 1) it's a gasser 518 with a diesel converter stuck in it (which fooled me into thinking it was a diesel tranny), and 2) some manner of gasser 518's had 6 bolt converters like the diesel's do.  Note - the converter does not look like a (gasser) lock-up converter, but the electric solenoid plug in has 3 pins, not the diesel 2.  I won't make this mistake again, and I hope after reading this no one else does either.

So, I offer it up to the masses - anyone know of the gasser 518's have 6-bolt converters?  maybe the 1-tons or something?  Either way...ummm I have a gasser 518 core for sale  Roll Eyes....aaaaand if anyone out there has a complete, rebuildable A-518 4wd diesel core ('92-93 only - I don't need a newer lock-up unit) lemme know.

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« Reply #267 on: April 27, 2010, 07:41:16 AM »

alright - since Bud is being built a bit differently than Nacho, the recipe for 'wheels and tires' has changed, so Nacho's 16x10's and 36" MTZ's are available.

Wheels - 16x10, 8-lug, aluminum, 8-hole.  Set of 5, $400 ($80 each - if bought with the tires), $450 (if bought separate from the tires).  These will come complete with all 32 chrome lugnuts.

Tires - Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ Radials, 36-15.5 (375-65/16).  Set of 5, $1600 ($320 each).

It's a screamin' deal - first $2000 takes the whole package.  I'll deliver them within 3 hrs away from Colo Springs for a case of beer.

Prices are firm, sold only as a set of 5 (wheels or tires) but prefer to sell it all as a complete package.  I'm certain shipping would be 'prohibitively expensive'.

Tires have very little wear and have only seen trails on two occasions, and one of them has never been on the road.  
Why selling?  Very simply for what I'm planning I need to go with steel wheels.  If I sell the tires I'm just going to turn around and order set of MTZs, just 2-inches taller (unless I find a set of 40's I like).  I won't be too bummed if I don't sell the tires, but I'm sure someone out there is looking for a set of awesome 36's, and these are them.

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For the record, these Mickeys balanced out nice.  You had to look hard to notice any out of roundness.  For a 36" tire I am mighty impressed with these.  All 5 are already balanced and highway-ready.  75 mph is a breeze - very comfortable.  Even the road noise isn't that bad.  

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« Reply #268 on: April 27, 2010, 03:00:12 PM »

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« Reply #269 on: April 27, 2010, 03:14:36 PM »

Deflate them and send them UPS When I worked at the tire store we did that all the time.
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« Reply #270 on: April 27, 2010, 07:52:13 PM »

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« Reply #271 on: April 28, 2010, 03:35:35 AM »

Sam I would to have MTs but in reality I need a lot of other items first. But that id the tire I want for the 440 RC. Right now I still have to gather all the other CTD stuff for the gold RC.
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« Reply #272 on: April 28, 2010, 10:13:22 AM »

no worries Jim - it's unlikely they'll sell anyway and if not then I'm plenty happy using what I got  Smiley

Oh hey, I talked to both Pro Comp and Superlift - those 63" rear leafs use the same 9/16 (0.57") bolts.  Any time that's good for you is good for me.
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I have a strong feeling they take the 1 1/2" diameter spring eye bushing. Can you confirm this? If they do I'll send the 5/8" grease bolts with the correct poly "T" bushings & DOM sleeves with your kit.
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« Reply #274 on: April 28, 2010, 03:23:20 PM »

cool Agree.  So lemme verify:  The Chevy 63" rear springs I'm going to use (that probably come with rubber bushings and 9/16" main bolts) - you're going to hook me up with a different set of bushings, for both the front and rear spring eyelets, to upgrade to a 5/8" configuration, which will allow me to go all 5/8" for the rear gig and keep your hardware otherwise 'unaltered'.  Did I get that right Smiley?  It all sounds bueno to me, and Bud thanks you in advance Cool.    

           ........wussy 9/16 bolts.........bah!
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Yea Sam we don't need any Wussy 9/16" bolts on B.U.D. when we can have 5/8" grade 8 grease bolts!!! See if you can buy your new springs with out the bushings. Yes Sam I am going to hook you up with the poly "T" bushings,Dom sleeves & 5/8" grease bolts.
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« Reply #277 on: April 28, 2010, 05:41:56 PM »

Comfirmed - bushings in the ProComp 63" rear leafs are indeed 1.5" diameter, same also as the 56" springs.  So looks like we're godo to go Jim Agree
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Sent you a PM back about turbos -

Turbos? What? Turbo turbo turbo!

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We were discussing turbos for my CTD swap into my gold RC Grin.
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« Reply #281 on: April 29, 2010, 03:23:56 PM »

 Wink - yup, Bud isn't going to need much more power than what came stock.  It'll get the standard tweaks, the normal upgrades, but if it ends up more than 300 hp I'll be surprised.  The more 'stock' I can keep it the simpler (and cheaper) it'll be to maintain.

Really I'm fully planning to take Red's old 300k high-mile engine, blast/clean it, re-seal it, make the normal adjustments, paint it tan, and bolt it in.  Bud's mods will be more along the lines of 'breathing' and staying cool.  It'll get a simple 12cm (non-gated) collar, HX-35 turbo...and really that's about it.  Andy already turned up the fuel and did the 366 spring, so all I have to do is fix the IP and drop it in. 

Other mods will be making sure I can safely toss the rig in a river - it'll get mods for waterproofing, mostly the breather vents, etc.  The main engine breather vent will get rerouted up and out, and the tranny will get the pump vent mod to re-route the vent up and out the top of the case.  I may develop a system to route the vents into the exhaust stack up to where the exhaust exits the stack.  Not 'into' the exhaust system as the exhaust pressure will very likely overpower the engine and tranny breathers and blow soot back into the engine.  Not good  No

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« Reply #283 on: April 29, 2010, 07:06:26 PM »

Wink - yup, Bud isn't going to need much more power than what came stock. 

Pff... I think "need" is up to interpretation...

You know you "need" the twin turbo 1000 ft/lb setup in Bud...

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Pff... I think "need" is up to interpretation...

You know you "need" the twin turbo 1000 ft/lb setup in Bud...

But that's just my "expert" opinion.

no no, I need the twins and 1000 ft/lb in Big Mack so I can pull Bud, and I think I'll be riiiight about there Cool
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« Reply #285 on: May 1, 2010, 02:47:44 PM »

...however...(carrying over the impending hijack from streetmonster's thread...)...if I were to 'get wind of someone' looking for a built D60 w/ 3.54s, a pair of D70s (one w/ 3.54 LS, the other with 4.56s), and a matching set of front and rear lockers (4.56-up), and a matching set of 36" wheels/tires, well I may just get horny enough to sell it all at a song...and step up to the big leagues and build som-in' stuuupid.

...until then, or after a few tax returns, Bud'll roll on whatever I have in the shop that year.

There's a red Chevy that was in TTC XV (07); combine that machine with the one Paul (squad51) did, and that's about what I have in mind for Bud someday - that 'look' and capability - simple, and strong as hell.  

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The ole wheels are turning. Sell em, go for the stuuupid! I can't wait!  Popcorn
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« Reply #287 on: May 1, 2010, 09:27:38 PM »

well my mind was curious about how Bud would look with 46's, and after being reminded of cleandust's RC I had a little photohack fun.  Dave I hope you don't mind me using yer bitchin' RC for a possible baseline - not a lot of blue Dodges sitting on 46" Baja Claws in here Wink  

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« Reply #288 on: May 1, 2010, 10:36:39 PM »

well my mind was curious about how Bud would look with 46's, and after being reminded of cleandust's RC I had a little photohack fun.  Dave I hope you don't mind me using yer bitchin' RC for a possible baseline - not a lot of blue Dodges sitting on 46" Baja Claws in here Wink  

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...oh what the hell...

http://ramchargercentral.com/index.php/topic,135098.0.html

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« Reply #291 on: May 2, 2010, 10:04:30 AM »

     ...oh I 'been there and thought that Think  Smiley


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ehh, it's a long shot that the driveline will sell anyway - I need 'x' amount to get what I'll need, and even though it's less that what I have into it that never has anything to do with actually selling stuff.  No big - it'll be a fun adventure either way, and if during research on rockwells I determine that is not what I want to do, well then I'll go with what I already got.  It's all good.
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...oh what the  @#!*% ...

http://ramchargercentral.com/index.php/topic,135098.0.html

How's it go??  "Go big or go home...or go nuts trying..?"

              ...it's all Steve's fault... Grin


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...it's all going to boil down to if there is any interest in what's here now, and after some time I may determine that rocks aren't the best way forward - I have a lot of research yet to do.  Tires may derail the whole rockwell thing.  Of course a lot of that comes down to $$$, but if my setup now doesn't sell then I'll be happy to build it up and drop it under the truck, and as soon as I come to that point then I'll keep it and jam on.  
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keep a eye on pirat. saw a few sets there for around 1200. of rockwells that is. some say they willing to trade
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« Reply #295 on: May 3, 2010, 09:08:24 PM »

copy that Ben, thanks Agree.  Had a good chat with Steve (streetmonster) this evening and I'm definitely leaning towards rocks, but I'll find a good used set and build 'em myself.  More fun, less $$, and that should leave me a little extra for tires. 
He and I are both looking for the same basic setup - overstrong, simple driveline, easy to maintain, and streetable - brakes and steering must be easily managable, and depending on how one builds the axles that can be achieved.

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« Reply #296 on: May 4, 2010, 09:29:06 AM »

So are you thinking of regearing the Rockwells? If so, to what ratio? 46" is a big friggin' tire. But that photohack sure looks cool...

EDIT: Are you going to stick with the plan for engine mods even with the HUGE driveline?
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« Reply #297 on: May 4, 2010, 05:44:52 PM »

on the ratio, actually no - I'm going to keep the standard 6.72s.  If I do this Bud's gonna be mil-spec for sure, and either way a hellova lot of fun.

On the engine mods, no just the standard power upgrades and bolt-ons.  It'll have plenty of torque, especially with the 6.72 ratio.

I've also decided to sell the current driveline 'separately'.  In other words I'll sell the 60 front end separate from the 70, locklers separate, etc. 

So, bottom line is, I got 3 big beefy Danas for sale, and a set of lockers for 4.56 gears, and the wheels tires - basically Nacho's driveline - all available.  Here's the info -

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Dana 60:  3.54s w/ Eaton Locker and Selectro Hubs and the original 8-bolt end caps.  Recently rebuilt/refreshed.  Comes with Ram-Off-Road crossover steering arm, DOM crossover steering arm, and Rockstomper ram-assist unit.  BONUS - comes with Detroit ElecTrac locker - this locker is set up for 4.56 gears, all you will need is a 4.56 gearset.  $1900 with the locker, $1200 without.  Locker alone, $800.

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Dana 70:  3.54s with perfect factory limited slip (from '93 Cummins rig).  Also recently rebuilt/refreshed.  Leaf spring perches re-welded to raise pinion angle slightly to account for RC wheelbase.  Will need brakes but otherwise complete.  $700
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Dana 70 dually:  4.56s, excellent condition (from '82 D350 Ram).  Comes with Detriot Locker, ready to install.  Overall this axle is 2-inches wider than standard srw D70, which is why I was going to use it.  Monster 12"x3" brakes.  Both D70 axles, complete, with Detriot Locker, $1300.  Locker alone, $300


EDIT - rockwells not going to work - keeping these axles for this project

Still available are the wheels and tires -

Wheels / Tires - set of 5, complete -
Aluminum 16x10 8-lug wheels, blasted and painted, strong and light weight.
36x15.5 Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ Radials, been to the trails twice, barely any street time, maybe 500 miles.  One has never been on the ground.  Complete set with lugs, $2000 ($450 for the wheels, $1550 for the tires).

I'll deliver it all pretty much anywhere within reason, and I can be pretty reasonable when it comes to road trips Smiley, I'd just ask for fuel, the usual.  

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« Reply #298 on: May 4, 2010, 07:56:32 PM »

Well now you got me  . I am half way to that 60 front (without the locker), so I will be in touch. We may get to share that beer after all however I bet it flies away before I get all my pennies rolled. BTW I think your monster still needs a Utiline bed    Grin
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« Reply #299 on: May 4, 2010, 11:05:57 PM »

I think you need to change BUD's tag in your signature to be "Mil-Spec Trail Conquerer."

And remind me... now that your going with Rocks, I'll ask... Why not bob a deuce? It just seems that Bud is moving more and more in that direction.
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