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« on: August 18, 2009, 07:58:25 PM » |
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I'd like y'all to meet "B.U.D.", my Big Ugly Dodge. This will be our new trail rig - essentially what Nacho's original plan has 'morphed' into. Crew cab, short box, Cummins-power, big driveline and tires, 'military-grade' rig. Big, simple, strong, abusable, basic, and lots 'o fun - basically a full-size mil-spec Dodge 'Jeep'. I'll be collecting the hardware for a while and I'll start the build soon as the 'Paddy Wagon' is rolling, ~ Oct 2011 with an estimated rolling time of ~ summer 2011. First...need parts - Cab - check. Found a pretty decent '77 4-door....it's even blue... sort'a... ...first look -  pulled the remains of the front clip off, tossed out the seats and interior debris, loosed the mounts,, propped it up on some wheels, and then...time for the loader    all secure, a quick Sonic fly-by and pit stop, then back to the ranch to let it sit amongst the other derelict hardware "but it's all part of a project, honey"    ...and under the back seat was a curious object - it looks like a mega-Uber CB??? Can anyone id this thing?   ....this one...I'm really looking forward to
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 08:07:06 PM » |
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Nice find.  Truck and CB. 
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I'd rather push a DODGE than drive a chevy or a ford!!!!!! 78 D200 Crew Cab 93 Shadow SE V6 77 400/727 RC 79 360/727 RC 89 318/727 RC 80 318/435 TD 90 CTD W250 73 Charger SE 400/727
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 08:32:26 PM » |
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looks like a really solid cab.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 09:22:02 PM » |
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Where is this junkyard full of dodge trucks? Thats awesome!
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 12:37:25 AM » |
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nice score sam!  loved the nacho build, but now the new one is more my speed plus a crew which has been my dream for mannnnyyyyy years, just cant find them around here.  cant wait to see the beast done. 
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Nice score. That isn't a CB that looks like an early VHF High band repeater. Think commuication gear for foresty police fire etc. You may be able to sell it to some short wave geeks that convert them to 2M radios depending on the wattage
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 01:35:58 AM » |
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should definately be a sweet build. I too would like to know the location of that Dodge truck gold mine you posted pics of 
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 04:53:52 AM » |
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 06:51:57 AM » |
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the yard is called Canyon Truck - good fellas there, willing to help with a loader, etc, and very reasonable prices. The cab cost $500. It's down in Canon City, south of Colorado Springs and west of Pueblo. Lots of good parts still there, including what looks like a Top Hand/Ranch Hand(?) short box P-Wagon and a ~79 Trailduster. There are also two Cummins parts trucks, both with engines, both 2wd. I like going there just to browse - there's a couple more pieces I need to get for BUD. Several 80's RC bodies and lots of 70's P-Wagon sheet metal. If anyone's looking for stuff send me some electrons with your dream sheet and I'll scope it out. Transporting hardware is just a matter of hooking up at a RamJam or something 
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 07:25:44 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 07:42:44 PM » |
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Looks like a good start.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 09:28:03 PM » |
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Your yard is kinda looking like the back 40 of Davis Monthan AFB! What are all of the other mothballed items back there?
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 09:44:21 PM » |
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A quick scan of flee-bay leads me to think you might get about $100 back for that radio! Now the cab's only about $400....
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 05:58:18 PM » |
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ya I'll likely just sell the thing - I'm sure not gonna need it.
So the plan is to do a simple 6BT/727 combo, but pull the 727 tailhousing (factory mated to a 205) and swap it out for the 203 unit, which will allow me to mate the doubler straight up to the 727, eliminating the fancy adaptors and stub shaft. I'm thinking I won't even have to swap output shafts - I think it'll be a bolt-up. I think the 205 tailhousing is longer than the 203 version, hence the extension housing and coupler sliup shaft for the 205, and with the shorter 203 housing there should be bueno spline engagement. I'm pretty sure I won't miss the overdrive, plus that'll be one less 'thing' to screw with. Sound logical?
Anyone have a 727/203 tailhousing that can take a measurement of the tailhousing for me? I'll compare it to the 205 tailhousing I have now.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 06:01:30 PM » |
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Logical, yes, but I think the first time you drive it or 55mph for any length of time will make you want that OD back. My $.02.
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2009, 06:57:18 PM » |
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the cast np203 tail housing adapter is 8 3/4 inches long. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2009, 10:46:54 AM » |
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That motorola looks similar to the ones we use in our military trucks. Wonder if the truck was an AF truck at one time? The discarded front fender looked like a replacement panel still in black paint.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2009, 11:37:01 AM » |
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if you need a 203 output housing ill trade u straight across for your 205 one. ill even pay shipping cuz mines heavier lol.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2009, 12:37:41 PM » |
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SWEET!! I can't seem to find any around here. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2009, 09:08:57 PM » |
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i had a radio kinda like that in a blazer one time, it was for talking to chopper pilots in the forest.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2009, 08:27:03 AM » |
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So... Tilt front on this one too?
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2009, 01:07:11 PM » |
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Most likely it'll be all 'stock' but without inner fenders. Too much of a pain to keep from shaking and WAY too much fabrication to duplicate.
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2009, 06:00:09 AM » |
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Your yard is kinda looking like the back 40 of Davis Monthan AFB! What are all of the other mothballed items back there?
the back 40 your talking bout was my backyard....lol im a desert rat from tucson living in the sticks now damn i miss AZ.......to the so.of DMAFB is nothing but j/y's to the so. east was the planes bone yard.....beautiful stuff....... nice find SAM im sad to see macho go its worth every penny put in it and im sure you will get most of what you are asking for it...loved reading the build forums and cant wait to see what you got up your sleeve for the club cab.looking forward to following this build closely good luck and have fun.....chris
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 07:03:13 PM » |
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well today was pretty fun and I made some interesting discoveries. Among many reasons for doing this truck, 'simple' and 'maintainable' are among the top 5, maybe top 3. I've been pondering all manner of leaf spring theory, looking at possible applications and different makes, lifts, spring rates, etc blah yadda, and so today I wanted to test a theory I had so I did a little experiment with the equipment I already had. I propped Nacho's right side up on stands, pulled the wheels, and pulled both front and rear leaf packs, and shoved the rear 56" leaf pack up under the front - just to see if it could actually fit...at all...and to see how much it compressed under Nacho's heafty weight and how much it compared to the custom front leaf pack that was in there. What I discovered was actually pretty interesting - here it is: First, the stock 56" pack did in fact 'fit' - here it is simple shoved under the frame, not mounted to shackles, etc - this is roughly how it will look fully extended (again this is just WAG'ing) - and here is what it looks like with full weight - it compressed pretty well but not as much as I thought it would -  ...so I'm looking at it and I was surprised it didn't compress further than this and I wondered how it would react with less leafs (remember this is the standard 5-leaf ProComp 4" lift rear spring for a Chevy - they're cheap and 'available'), so I pulled off the lower two leafs, and reinstalled it - yeah...it lost 1 inch of overall lift - that's it. This 3-leaf, 56" spring is fully suspending Nacho's weight easily - easily doing the same job as the uber 7-leaf short pack that was in there. And oh by the way, I tested the gushiness of the suspension by pushing down on the front bumper - yeahhhh it fealt GREAT - plenty of nice 'give', good and bouncy - plenty capable for suspending this much truck and it's nicely 'in' the spring - not 'on' it like a buck-board ride we're all used to.  and to show what would need to be done for the rear shackle, here's the basic idea -  shoule be a piece of cake - I'm moving the body mount up, probably making one from scratch and mounting it upward so as to eliminate the 3-inch lift block all together, and that should make plenty of room for the shackles to do their thing. Here's what it looks like under weight with a 36" tire - not a bad lift at all  ....and yes...that's SNOW piling up on the hood  - nice way to celebrate the last day of summer, no?!!  I love snow This is what I'm gonna try, and once I get the caster angle figured out I bet this thing drives really, really nicely, AND it should have crazy compression/extension potential for wheelin'. Important to remember - while the truck needs to be streetable this isn't going to be a daily-driver...although it si very likely I'll be taking this dude to work now and then - the gate guards should love it!. This is gonna be a big, heavy, trail rig, and I think big, long leafs may be the key to giving it some real 'suspension'. PLUS, if I need more lift I still have those two bottom leafs that I can reinstall, AND it's using off-the-shelf inexpensive leaf springs from my local 4-wheel parts. I'm diggin' it  - Sam
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 07:47:12 PM » |
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Dang snow already cool! 
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2009, 08:06:34 AM » |
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Just remember that when you remove leaves you decrease the spring's ability to resist axle wrap.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2009, 08:57:47 AM » |
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copy that Trent, thanks. I do have plans to fab up a set of traction arms front and rear to at least reduce or maybe eliminate the real bad wrap - the arms will be tethered to the front spring mounts so they'll sway with the leaf pack.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2009, 11:07:46 AM » |
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We thought it was a bit early too, but fortunately we love the winters out here...and we also think it's gonna be a serious winter this time. S'okay tho - we be ready. Fortunately the weather a bit south of here wasn't too bad, and it was a great day for a parts run - found an '82 Ram dually D350 with a nice little (read HUGE) Dana 70 dually rear axle with factory 4.56's, and elsewhere hiding in a big 'transmission garden' I spotted an A-518 Cummins 4x4 tranny. The axle looks great inside - it even smells good - it was behind a 318  and not a Cummins so it isn't all shredded inside. I'm hoping it only needs some fresh seals...and a Detroit  , and what's also cool is it's about 2 inches wider than normal and I want the extra width to help compensate for the extra wheelbase - should work good, and it has huge drums - bonus. I'm gonna disect the tranny and see what makes 'em tick, do some voodoo on the output shaft to get more oiling to the o/d, and that'll be Bud's tranny and rear axle. 
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Dang I forgot how big those 70's look out of the truck...... 
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2009, 04:06:20 PM » |
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Nice Find!!! Are you going to do a detailed write up on the OD oil system mod??
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2009, 05:43:16 PM » |
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Are you going to do a detailed write up on the OD oil system mod??
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2009, 08:08:53 PM » |
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2009, 08:16:08 PM » |
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Isn't that a dually 70 rear end? 
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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2009, 08:29:29 PM » |
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yup...'swat I wanted to find. It's about 2 inches wider than a standard 70 and that's also what I wanted. Some folks want to stay as narrow as possible, I want to be a bit wider. After a quick call to my buddy Matt at NAPA he confirmed that the 5/8" studs can be replaced with 1/2" studs - same shank for the hub, different thread for the lugs, and that way the front and back lug nuts will match{cool}....although I am thinking of leaving the back alone and converting the front to 5/8" lugs. More beef is better than less 
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2009, 09:08:06 PM » |
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you going to run Dually rear or what? I have a Dana 70 DRW sitting in my garage that I'm not sure I want to use, so my tires don't stick out too far. I want to keep my SRW set up.
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2009, 09:16:21 PM » |
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Max I'm guessing that its a C&C dually rear? I found out the hard way there is a difference in width on a C&C dually and PU dually. C&C dually being the narrower.
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2009, 09:36:35 PM » |
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No I'm not running duals out back - same wheels as the front. I'm not certain if it is a C&C or dually rear, but it did measure out to be about 2 inches wider than a standard d70 srw rear, and I wanted the extra width. The drums are also nice and thick, which when properly dialed in will offer great performing...and very simple...rear brakes. I'm not swapping to any sort of discs on this truck - just won't need 'em. Drums will be just fine. Plus...ever notice the fronts on our trucks are jsut a bit wider than the rears - something about the track being wider than the rear? I've no idea why - I'm sure it's for drivability or something, but the wider rear should actually match the fronts track width - bonus  .
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The reason the front is wider than the rear is to give them a better turning radius.
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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2009, 09:46:29 PM » |
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...man...I gotta say...I am really stoked about building this truck for some reason - much more so than Nacho. I think I'm just excited about the expected fun-factor - simple, beefy, flexy, fun - a big silly beater - eeeeexcellent! - and a whole lot easier, and quicker, to build. I'm really looking forward to drivin' and wheelin' it. Hoping to have it up and runnin' in late spring 2011 in time for the summer wheelin' season. I really think the build time will be in months like Nacho was supposed to be. So, suspension. I am planning on using the big beefy but flexy 56" springs up front, and out back I'm going up to the Superlift 63" rear with 6" lift/2.5" wide (#01385 - '99-06 Chevy - $173/side from 4-wheel parts).....and ironically the exact same dimensions for the 94-up 1/2-ton and 3/4 ton Dodge Ram trucks. Essentially, the longer the leaf the better the ride, and the longer the leaf the better the flex. And what I discovered the other day was that it isn't the number of leafs, it's the combination of spring rate and lift, and finding the happy medium between the two. My goal is to have a suspension system that, when under full weight (and in my case probably about 7300 lbs), the leaf spring is nicely half way 'into' it's compression - what I call 'in the leaf', verse a leaf spring that sits nearly under no compression with full weight, what I call 'on the leaf' (and common to the buck-board ride we all hate to love). To understand my thinking - you know how the back end of a pickup rides so much better when there's a bunch of weight in the bed?, that's what I call being 'in' the spring verse an unloaded truck that bucks along 'on' the spring. That's the happy place I'm hoping to have this truck riding in all the time. Don't know if it'll work out just the way I want, but for sure it'll be close, and it'll be with store-bought springs and not something custom made, or custom priced  . When the truck is 'in' the leaf the truck has already overcome the initial shock load of the spring and therefore has already absorbed the majority of the initial bump pressure, and while there will be a corresponding rebound I feel it will be much less than a spring that rides 'on' the leaf. I confirmed that when in the leaf the truck has much more bounce potential when you push down on the front bumper - the suspension has nice 'give' to it, and that lends to a nice ride. The trick, in my opinion, is finding the happy medium between the initial amount of lift bumped into the spring countered by the weight of the truck. This can be altered some by adding or removing leafs as necessary, but like Trent said pulling leafs can lend to axle wrap, especially in high torque engines like a Cummins. So, in my case, I'll be using a simple traction bar at all 4 corners to keep from folding the leafs in half and rotation the axle tubes, blowing the u-joints, and pretty much ruining my day. And hey, maybe this time I'll actually bolt up some shocks  That's my story and I'm stickin' to it 
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2009, 03:33:29 AM » |
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So, suspension. I am planning on using the big beefy but flexy 56" springs up front, and out back I'm going up to the Superlift 63" rear with 6" lift/2.5" wide (#01385 - '99-06 Chevy - $173/side from 4-wheel parts).....and ironically the exact same dimensions for the 94-up 1/2-ton and 3/4 ton Dodge Ram trucks. You killing me Sam I have just about made up my mind to do 52" F & 56"R springs on my Crew to improve the ride and now you come up with this  I'll have to stay tuned about the longer rears but I don't think I'll do the fronts as I have a set of Jungle's hangers to use.
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2009, 10:51:55 AM » |
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Got a question about relocating the shackles:
How can the remaining hole from the old front spring shackles be covered up without compromising the frame?
I suspect it compromises the frames strength in that area without the old spring hanger tying the frame together. (That is if you take out the old hanger.)
I'd say "weld it shut" but do also believe that doesn't make the frames molecular structure any better and is even more prone to cracking than leaving that hole open.
What do you think?
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2009, 02:02:25 PM » |
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I'd leave it as-is. It's a factory hole and it's nice and smooth. You can always weld it closed, and so long as it's an older frame (...pre-98(?) when they went to the hydroformed frames) you can weld on 'em all you want. IIRC the hydroformed frames don't like to be drilled or welded...can anyone confirm that? Joe? These older frames are pretty dern'd tuff and they're user-friendly - I'd have no worries about an open hole (Nacho's full of 'em), especially a factory one. Now, that said, I wouldn't drill any more than you have to...and what I would worry about is if you mis-mark your new shackle mount, drill, and discover they're off by 1/2 inch...well then you have a potential for a figure-8 drill hole, and that can possibly lead to a nut or washer pulling through, so in those cases I'd definitely weld the wrong hole closed on both sides, slowly grind flush alternating where you grind (a little on this hole...a little on that hole...), then re-drill. Plus, I'm also a fan of welding the washer/nut combo to the back of the frame - one less wrench to hold onto 
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« Reply #46 on: October 4, 2009, 08:30:29 AM » |
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cool - after geekin' on my gear/speed calculator it looks like my mph @ rpm specs look real good. Here's the quick summary: 6BT Cummins, A-518 o/d, 4.56 gear, 36" tire: -- 60 mph = 2600 rpm (no o/d), 1750 rpm (o/d) -- 75 mph = 3200 rpm (no o/d), 2200 rpm (o/d) - with a 38" tire - -- 60 mph = 2400 rpm (no o/d), 1650 rpm (o/d) -- 75 mph = 3000 rpm (no o/d), 2100 rpm (o/d) And since I'm using the 36" Mickey's I already have the ride will be pretty smooth, though loud. When I grind through these tires I'll likely go up to 38's, probably again a set of these MTZ's - they make a nice 38x15.5. For a non-intercooled Cummins 6BT, to me those numbers sound real good. Then, when off road and doubled-down, in 1st gear I'll walk faster than the thing'll idle along. Tons of smooth torque...definitely need hydroboost brakes  . As far as outfitting the truck, looks like the key components will be: ram-assist steering, hydroboost brakes, 15k front winch and a 9k rear, A/C, 56" front springs, 63" rears, about 8 inches of overall lift, front Detroit Electrac locker w/ 35 spline swap and rear detroit. And Nacho's full body, bumpers, and interior are 'sold' - it goes by-by next month, headed down to Austin. Therfore, project B.U.D., my "Air Force 1-Ton", is on
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The hydroboost brakes are a must!! Mine are on the way already. What are you going to run for a pump? I was looking at the late 90s Saginaw style pump setup my self. The ZE pump ford used in there F600 is even bigger but does NOT have the vacuum pump in it  .
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« Reply #49 on: October 5, 2009, 07:15:59 AM » |
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originally I was planning to go all Chevy but I think I'll try the 2nd gen Dodge (98-01~ish) systems first. Bud is likely to be the guinea pig, and when I get it all dialed in I'll do the same to my other two trucks. What I'm not sure of is how the full hydro steering will be affected by the hydro brakes. For certain I'll need a good steering fluid cooler and good sized reservoir.
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