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« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2008, 12:34:39 AM »

Just wondering, I'd be leery with that much lift with out new control arms . Did you get it to the alignment shop yet?
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« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2008, 01:17:03 AM »

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« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2008, 06:33:41 PM »

Well I called and talked to the manufacture and he said to go and get it aligned first.  He also said DO Not Put a Dropped Pittman arm on this kit; it will make it even worse. So I went and had it aligned, took it back to them after I drove it (it kind of did it again) but not as bad as the first time. I had a slight vibration after hitting a rough area in the road, but nothing like I had before. So now I am going to buy a double steering stabilizer shock set up for it and hope that does it. I have checked all of the mounting bolts etc. I even lubed all the joints. I worked on the rifle rack and have changed its design. Now the rifles will lay between the front seats over and above the center console. It will be removeable because I wouldn't want it there all the time. I am using the main shaft of the previous rack, welded (added 17.5" and at 90 degrees) on the the bottom of it to attach to the existing mounting bracket on the floor. I made up a bracket that will be bolted to the back of the console that allows the rack to rest on it. I will have pictures of it later. puttputt56
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« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2008, 11:33:46 PM »

Well today I went out and bought a ProComp Heavy Duty Steering Stabilizer Shock. Now I just have to install it.  I also bought a Pitman Arm removal tool and will more than likely buy a Drop Pittman Arm for the Jeep too. I will try the new shock first though to see if that helps or not. puttputt56
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« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2008, 11:40:53 PM »

Just a suggestion, you might want to go to a jeep site like Jeep Forum or Jeeps Unlimited and do a search for death wobble.
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« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2008, 03:57:41 PM »

I don't know wheather to thank you for those two Jeep Sites or not. I have been on those for most of yesterday and today. There are some good ideas posted on those sites.  But I have been trying to catch up on their posting and there are allot of them. Haven't really found the same problem I have but some where close. puttputt56
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« Reply #106 on: January 26, 2008, 01:54:32 AM »

Here's another forum to make you crazy Ken -
These guys are pretty smart here, although it's mostly an older Jeep site  Grin Grin

Check the 'Other Tech' board.

http://www.cjoffroad.com/forums/default.asp
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« Reply #107 on: January 26, 2008, 04:47:57 AM »

PuttPutt here are some possible causes of shimmy on a lifted TJ    The alignment is off because of the scissor type of steering on TJ's when you lift it , your jeep gets toed-in anywhere from 2-3 inches more than factory but you said it has been aligned so next thing would be the track bar did the lift kit come with a longer track bar or did you drill a another hole in the axle bracket? I would install a properly bent track bar for your size lift with hiem joints if you had to drill, next would be the caster angle when you lift a TJ you need to adjust the lower arms longer or the upper arms shorter make sure the alignment shop checked and adjusted the caster angle and lastly check your brake rotors warped rotors can give you a shimmy hope this helps if I think of something else I 'll post up
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« Reply #108 on: January 26, 2008, 11:01:44 AM »

Thanks Mark for another Jeep Site for me to check, like I need to spend more time going through their forum.

Yes the kit came with a new track bar. I did have to drill out the axle mounting hole to accept the larger bolt that came with the kit. The front alignment has been checked now twice and the tires have been balanced too.  The brakes were turned when I got the Jeep and they were fine before the kit installed.

I am having the heavy duty steering stabilizer installed on Monday, since it will have to have the tie-rods dropped (taken apart) to allow the axle mounting bolt to come out.

I also noticed that the bolt on the passenger side on the sway bar (top bolt) and the quick disconnect was rubbing against the frame. The sway bar had moved I guess during the death wobble. I have corrected that and will install those sway bar clamps to stop the back and forth movement. Has anyone else had their sway bar moving back and forth?

Thank you all for responding to my questions I do appreciate it!! puttputt56
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« Reply #109 on: January 26, 2008, 11:11:57 AM »

I have never had a problem with my sway bar moving back and forth. You may need to get some adjustable control arms, to actually fix the issue. 3 inches is at the upper limit on a tj without new control arms. Some need them and some dont.

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« Reply #110 on: January 26, 2008, 12:32:19 PM »

I hope I don't need to change anything else. That is why I went with this kit. Fabtech makes this sway bar clamp system ($57). So other people must of had this problem too(sway bar movement).
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« Reply #111 on: January 28, 2008, 08:05:52 PM »

Here are somemore pictures of my progress on the Jeep. The first one is of the CB Antenna and how I secured it. I believe now I have ruined the antenna though.


This one is of the new location of the rifle rack. We will now see if this new location and design will work or not.



This is the new heavy duty Steering Stabilizer installed.


This one I tried to show how the upper Quick Disconnect is rubbing the frame. I guess I will have to get those sway bar locator brackets (clamps) to keep it from walking side to side. The picture didn't come out very well.


Thanks Joey for posting these for me, without your help I wouldn't have pictures to show everyone how it is going on the Jeep. puttputt56

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« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2008, 01:58:27 AM »

Don't know much about your newer type Jeep ken, but I believe what Bent and Twisted and Dave are saying about the control arms.
I know that on my Cummins I would use longer control arms on the bottom, if I went beyond the two inch spacers I have now ... my alignment is just on the 'edge' of Ok right now ....
But like Dave said - sometimes you do, and sometimes you don't need to ... maybe you should think about 'bitting the bullet' and getting adjustable arms just for safety sake ....
IMHO the steering stabilizer is just a 'band-aid', there's nothing wrong with them, they take the little bumps and jiggles, and wiggles out of the steering, but ... the rig should steer and handle well with out it first ... just my opinion ....
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« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2008, 01:52:17 PM »

First off I only bought one Heavy Duty Steering Stabilizer and had it install. The factory one did have a 1/2" play in it so it did need replacing. I talked to the Manufacturer again, he drove it and checked it out.  I have no wobble anymore. Again he said do not add a dropped pitman arm to this kit.  I have read the other sites and for this year they also say don't use a dropped pitman arm. They re-design the front end on this model and up graded its suspension (changed the geometry). I also talked to the engineers at Jeep and they said the same thing.
So for now the only thing I am going to add is the Sway Bar Clamp system to stop it from walking back and forth.puttputt56
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« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2008, 09:52:13 PM »

The only reason to run a dropped pitman arm is if you run a trackbar lowering bracket on the frame end.
It is to keep the draglink and trackbar parallel.
I hope your death wobble is fixed but don't be suprised if it comes back after the parts get a little wear on them.
I second the idea of getting some adjustable lower front control arms, it was the only way to tune out death wobble on dad's 2001 WJ and my Rubicon too.
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« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2008, 10:31:39 AM »

I have installed the sway bar clamps (clamp stops) and hope that stops the walking back and forth. I did save $47 by buying them from Grainger. They were $60 a pair at Fabtech plus tax and shipping. At Grainger they were $13 a pair. I took pictures of the installation and of the rifle rack change with it out of the Jeep. Hopefully Joey will again come to my rescue and post them for me. At present I am happy with the lift kit and we will see how it does as I put miles on it. puttputt56
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« Reply #116 on: February 3, 2008, 09:10:44 AM »

Well yesterday I drove the Jeep over 20 miles, put it through it paces and the locking clamps seem to have solved the sway bar walking back and forth problem. I installed the rifle rack (second design) and it seems to be OK and isn't in the way while driving. We will see if it works out when I go hunting again in regards to being able to remove the rifle/s fast and easy.  I also got the rear bumper support brackets bolted in. I got the holes drilled through the frame. The drivers side I had to be real careful because of the fuel tank (it is not centered between the frame rails). It is closer on the drivers side and had to make sure I didn't drill through the tank too. It was hard to get the nuts on the bolts too on that side. It is not centered because of the exhaust route (pipe location). puttputt56
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« Reply #117 on: February 5, 2008, 01:56:57 AM »

Here are some pictures of the sway bar clamps that I installed to stop it from walking back and forth.




The next two are of the rifle rack that I changed the design and have removed from the jeep. The other picture of it is in the jeep. Thought these two were a little better of it so you can tell what it looks like better.





Thanks Son for posting these for me again. puttputt56

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« Reply #118 on: February 5, 2008, 02:21:07 AM »

That gun rack looks pretty cool there Ken -
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« Reply #119 on: February 5, 2008, 06:30:05 PM »

I thought I better take a picture of the rifle rack back in the Jeep with a rifle in it. I have plenty of room to open the center console, work the emergency brake and shift. It doesn't seem to be in my way. I am a fairly good size man (225 lbs, 6 foot tall) and am very pleased with this design so far.


Again thanks Joey for posting this for me!!
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« Reply #120 on: February 10, 2008, 10:27:59 AM »

Well yesterday after reading a couple other posts I checked the oil level in my transmission and found that it was low. So since I haven't gotten any Royal Purple Transmission lubricate yet; I just topped it off with the racing oil I already have.  I will change it out when I buy some of that Royal Purple Lubricate.
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« Reply #121 on: February 10, 2008, 01:39:18 PM »

Well yesterday after reading a couple other posts I checked the oil level in my transmission and found that it was low. So since I haven't gotten any Royal Purple Transmission lubricate yet; I just topped it off with the racing oil I already have.  I will change it out when I buy some of that Royal Purple Lubricate.
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« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2008, 12:52:17 AM »

Isn't that what you just put in yours??  Why would it void the warranty?? Yes I got the warranty extended when I bought it so have a couple years and/or 60,000 more miles which ever comes first left. puttputt56
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« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2008, 09:51:09 AM »

My warranty was over a long time ago. It doesn't meet the exact MS-9224 spec that is called for on that transmission or if it does they don't advertise it.
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« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2008, 10:52:26 AM »

My warranty was over a long time ago. It doesn't meet the exact MS-9224 spec that is called for on that transmission or if it does they don't advertise it.

that is actually good info to know. it is bad in the world when something that might actually be good for the tranny will void the warranty.

btw, love how you redid the gun rack Ken. just one question, is the front of the rack supported or does it rely on the strength of the rear mount to stop it from bouncing around? i like the idea the center console is still useable.

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« Reply #125 on: February 11, 2008, 11:02:46 AM »

The rifle rack is not supported at the front, it is supported at about 1/3 the way from the rear at the back portion of the console.Basically a 3" wide plate with a U shaped bracket at the top made out of 1" box tubing forming a U shape. If you go back a few picture posts you will see the support bracket.

My question tho on the Royal Purple Lubricate is why would you put something in the transmission that doesn't meet the minimum requirements or standards for this transmission?

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The rifle rack is not supported at the front, it is supported at about 1/3 the way from the rear at the back portion of the console.Basically a 3" wide plate with a U shaped bracket at the top made out of 1" box tubing forming a U shape. If you go back a few picture posts you will see the support bracket.

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it isn't that it doesn't meet the minimum requirements or standards. just that it isn't on the "approved" list of warrantied additives. IMO it may actually meet or exceed the minimum requirements. however, if the engineers and testers at Chrysler didn't do testing on it or if the people at Royal Purple didn't go through the hassle of sending the specs to Chrysler then it wouldn't get put on the "approved" list. so by not going through that then if the tranny happens to fail they can always say it was due to the Royal Purple you put in the tranny and therefore save themselves $2000-3000 in the cost of replacing a tranny.

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« Reply #127 on: February 11, 2008, 11:29:32 AM »

OK, I understand now!! So where do you find this list of approved additives? puttputt56
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OK, I understand now!! So where do you find this list of approved additives? puttputt56

probably have to contact a local dealer or maybe one of the guys can post up a link to an "approved" list

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The approved list should be in your owners manual. Royal Purple doesn't state anywhere that they meet the requirement , unlike amsoil which list the ms9224 requirment.
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« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2008, 10:55:15 AM »

Thanks I will check it out. The oil I did put in it is Lucas Oil Heavy Duty SAE 85W-140 Gear Oil. It more than likely isn't on their list either.

I received my new CB in the mail yesterday, so will be adding that to the Jeep. I think I will install it under the front drivers seat. I will raise the seat like I saw on another site with hockey pucks. I think that will give me just about the right increase in clearance and not be too high for me.

I also got some fog lights I will be installing on the Jeep. I think I will mount them on the front loop bar. I have been working on a bracket to weld to the bar that will I hope not enter-fear with the ice chest and have some protection of the lights. Of course I will have pictures of both these installations and hope again my son will post them for me.

I also have already installed an outside speaker for the PA system with the CB Radio. I mounted it in the engine compartment on the drivers side fender well. Now the part I hate is all the wiring has to been done for all the lights and switches. I hate electrical wiring work/installation.

I am going back on the ranch the weekend of Feb. 21,22 and 23. Would like to have the lights (at least the fog lights hooked up by then). puttputt56
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« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2008, 10:05:51 PM »

Well I installed the fog lights, but put them where the large KC Lights were. I also added a bracket out a little farther so they cleared the bar. I installed two eyelet bolts in the old location brackets where the KC Lights were installed.  I installed the bracket that I was making for the two lights on the bar and like it and like the KC Lights in the middle instead of on the outer sides. Now I need to do the wiring, as you can see I am still putting that off. puttputt56
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« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2008, 10:45:16 AM »

Eric, I am going to the Jeep Dealership to get their oil for the transmission.  I will drain what I put in to top it off. I don't think it would have hurt it, since it wasn't that much, but I will not take any chances with it. My owners manual didn't say what weight oil to use, just said it needs to meet the MS 9224 standard. I went on line to check it out and it didn't even give the weight limits. Thanks for your input. puttputt56
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« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2008, 11:18:59 AM »

Eric, I am going to the Jeep Dealership to get their oil for the transmission.  I will drain what I put in to top it off. I don't think it would have hurt it, since it wasn't that much, but I will not take any chances with it. My owners manual didn't say what weight oil to use, just said it needs to meet the MS 9224 standard. I went on line to check it out and it didn't even give the weight limits. Thanks for your input. puttputt56
I think it is close to the same viscosity as 5w-30 its either that or SAE 90 its been awhile since I saw that thread on the Jeep forum
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« Reply #134 on: February 14, 2008, 12:00:37 PM »

That is a big difference between 5w-30w and SAE 90w. Is the weight this low because of needle bearings in the transmission like the 203 transfercases? Hope the Jeep people at Mopar will be able to shed some light on this for me!! puttputt56
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« Reply #135 on: February 14, 2008, 12:48:02 PM »

Well the amsoil product that claims to meet hte requirment is 5w30 but a mechanic on the Jeep forum I frequent said that the NSG370 uses the equivalent of a SAE 90

Actually 5w30 motor oil and sae 90 gear oil a really close viscosity wise.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/visc.html
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« Reply #136 on: February 14, 2008, 08:57:55 PM »

Well it is changed. I went to the local Jeep Dealership and finally got what my Owner Manual book calls for.  It took over an hour for them to figure it out!!!?Huh It made me realize why I told myself back in 1974 I would never buy a mopar product again. It really isn't the products fault but the people that work in the service and parts departments that seem to be the problem. They couldn't even get me at first the type of oil I needed. Their computers, the oil and lube guy and all 5 staff people behind counter had NO idea (clue). They gave me a booklet that had all their lubricates and what they were for.  Only one had the MS 9224 label and it said it was for a NV 3500 and the Viper transmission. They asked me for my vin number for the jeep to see if that was the correct lubricant. It cost me $41.00 for two quarts. I still haven't heard back from them if this was the right lubricant or not. I did ask them what if I had brought in my Jeep to have all the lubricants changed what they would have put in HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh they had no clue. I hope I never have to go back to them. puttputt56
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« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2008, 09:05:13 PM »

Sounds like you have a really crappy dealership near you is all. All they had to do was look in the FSM

MANUAL TRANSMISSION
NOTE: DaimlerChrysler recommends using Mopar
lubricants or lubricants of equal quality.
² NSG370 - Mopar Manual Transmission Lubricant
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« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2008, 09:14:48 PM »

That doesn't tell them anything. They need a part number. I asked for a list of products that would meet or exceed their standards but they said they didn't have a list. puttputt56
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« Reply #139 on: February 14, 2008, 09:36:38 PM »

It should be the right stuff the NV3500 used the same oil
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« Reply #140 on: February 14, 2008, 09:56:57 PM »

Here are the pictures of the pig I got Yesterday. I took most of the pictures so am not in all of them.  The one that I am in is where I am holding its head up.

Here in Michigan you just have to have a valid hunting lincense and you can shoot them on site any day of the week and all year long, and as many as you can kill.
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« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2008, 10:41:21 AM »

Here is what Royal Purple said about Synchromax

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Royal Purple Synchromax is recommended for Dodge transfer cases and manual transmissions that normally would use the Chrysler ATF+4.  It is superior to the factory branded fluid or the GM Synchromesh.
 
It is an improvement over this OEM fluid in that it has additional performance additives that result in superior wear protection for bearings, gears, etc yet still allow the proper engagement / operation of the clutches and synchronizers for smoother shifts as well as being a fully synthetic product rather than the refined mineral oil of the OEM / Synchromesh fluids.
 
Unfortunately, to claim that you meet the MS 9224 specification requires the fluid to be 'an exact copy' of the OEM fluid - so to answer your question - we can not claim this without violating US laws.
 
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« Reply #142 on: February 15, 2008, 10:55:43 AM »

Were you asking me this question about what application mine is? The site title says it. It is a 2006 Jeep Wrangler X with a 6 speed manual transmission and an in-line 4.0 6 cylinder. puttputt56
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« Reply #143 on: February 15, 2008, 11:01:23 AM »

All 2006 Wranglers with a manual have the same transmission. Its the NSG 370. I was just asking since this is a hot topic on all Jeep sites.  His next email to me said that Synchromax was the correct application for the NSG 370.
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« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2008, 12:55:54 AM »

After I replied I realized it was a Quote from the email sent you, sorry about that. puttputt56
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« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2008, 02:20:55 AM »

No worries I just realized I misspelled quote so the tags didn't work
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« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »

First off Thanks Joey for posting these for me!
The first one is of the right front fog light and the bracket I made for the front loop to install (relocate) the KC lights.


This is the bracket I installed on the front loop for mounting the KC lights.



Left front fog light.


This is a side view of the fog lights and the front loop bracket for the KC lights.


Front view with the KC lights mounted with out covers.


Side view of above picture.


Front view of KC lights with covers on.


Picture of rifle rack from the back seat area and the location where I installed the new CB Radio.


Sorry about the glare in this one.


Location for the CB mic mount.


Location of all the electrical switches I should ever need. The one hole that is empty is for a license plate style light to light up the switches at night.


Same as above but a little better show its location under the steering wheel.


Another picture of the CB radio location but with better lighting and better angle.



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« Reply #147 on: February 17, 2008, 01:31:16 AM »

Looking good Ken  Cool

On my CJ, I have two tubes running down the upper center of the cage, the spacing is just about right to fab something and hang the CB up there (top center of the windshield.)
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« Reply #148 on: February 17, 2008, 10:48:33 AM »

Thanks Mark, at some point I will have those too.  I plan on getting that front roll bar that attaches on the sides of the dash and has a bar just above the dash. Then I will get the two bars that will connect to center existing bar. But that is down the road. I got the licenses plate light last night so will install that. I will have to increase the size of the hole to 1-1/16". I will have to solder a ground wire to it, since this switch group is connected to plastic molding (talking about the light housing).

Now to bring myself around to doing all the wiring and connecting all these electrical items I have put on the Jeep. This is the part I hate. It looks like it is going to be a beautiful day today so should be able to get something done.puttputt56
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« Reply #149 on: February 17, 2008, 03:25:46 PM »

I plan on getting that front roll bar that attaches on the sides of the dash and has a bar just above the dash.



He's already thought real hard about it, I caught him "day dream fabbing" at the SEMA show!  Tongue

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