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« on: December 17, 2004, 05:46:13 PM »

My father has 2 on his farm, one red and one green, both are 4 cylinder diesel trucks, I believe they are both 4-speed.  The bodies are kind of shot and they have been sitting for years.  I have never seen or heard of another one, my grandpa liked em' for some reason though.  They both say diesel power on the tailgates.  If anyone has any info or wants to buy em I can ask, if not they will sit there for another 20 years.
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2004, 10:20:44 PM »

What kind of trucks are these?

Before Dodge offered the Cummins turbodiesel, in the fullsize Rams, there was another inline six cylinder diesel offered in the 78 & 79 Dodge pick-ups.

The engine was built by Mitsubishi, displaced 243 cu.in. and developed 103 hp. It did not have a turbocharger and was intended to be an economy engine. It really sold poorly due mostly to it's lack of power and Dodge discontinued it, the following year.

In the late 70s Dodge didn't make a small truck, rather it sold rebadged Mitsubishi trucks as the D-50, beginning in 79. I don't think there was a diesel option.

A friend of mine owned one of the 78 diesels and yes it was a dog, but it was very reliable and got pretty good mileage. It's very likely that the little diesel could have made greater power with a turbo and some mild mods.

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2004, 12:26:03 PM »

Military dodges had a perkins 4 cyl as a retro fit. I did a few. The "kit" came in a large air tight case made for shipping and storing jet engines.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 01:47:26 PM »

Yes, I've researched a few of the Repower kits a few years ago. There was one place in Indiana called M.A.R.S. which once used 4 cylinder Hurcules diesels. I wasn't able to contact them and I think they must have gone out of business.

The ones I did see tended to offer repower kits for trucks such as the Jeep / Kaiser M715 and the military M37 Dodge Power Wagons. I haven't seen many diesel retrofits for the M880s although I read somewhere that there was a retrofit available. Most of these repower kits tended to end up in civilan, law enforcement, and foriegn military use. Very, very few went into service in the U.S. military.

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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2004, 06:44:42 PM »


What kind of trucks are these?

Before Dodge offered the Cummins turbodiesel, in the fullsize Rams, there was another inline six cylinder diesel offered in the 78 & 79 Dodge pick-ups.

The engine was built by Mitsubishi, displaced 243 cu.in. and developed 103 hp. It did not have a turbocharger and was intended to be an economy engine. It really sold poorly due mostly to it's lack of power and Dodge discontinued it, the following year.

In the late 70s Dodge didn't make a small truck, rather it sold rebadged Mitsubishi trucks as the D-50, beginning in 79. I don't think there was a diesel option.

A friend of mine owned one of the 78 diesels and yes it was a dog, but it was very reliable and got pretty good mileage. It's very likely that the little diesel could have made greater power with a turbo and some mild mods.

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"Most of these repower kits tended to end up in civilan, law enforcement, and foriegn military use. Very, very few went into service in the U.S. military."
 
I'm sure we were preping these for a foreign purchaser.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 04:10:47 PM »

These are full size trucks1/2 or 3/4 can't remember, I thought they were 4 bangers, but, it was a cou[ple of years ago that I looked at the motors.  I will check em' out closer next time I am out there. I imagine that the engines could be salvaged, bodies are nasty though, thats why they were parked. Are these things super rare? is it worth putting them in dry storage so they don't deteriorate any more?  Is it just a regular A-833 four speed or were these beefed up for torque. These are not Military trucks, civilian FS as stated above.  Thanks for your help!
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 07:51:26 PM »

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I remeber those, the Mitsu`s were turbo`ed but they still had no balls, super fuel milage tho. They used to crack heads around the injector bosses and valve seats if ya got em hot enuff...like any Mitsu from the 80`s-early90`s Wink. I wouldn`t mind finding one of those for a good mpg beater. Setting the pump tiimng was  a pain tho, especially if you followed the service manual(it was wrong,ha ha).
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Are these things super rare? is it worth putting them in dry storage so they don't deteriorate any more?  Is it just a regular A-833 four speed or were these beefed up for torque. These are not Military trucks, civilian FS as stated above.  Thanks for your help!


I wouldn't say they are Super rare, but they are slowly becoming rare. Few knew about this earlier diesel option. In fact I didn't know these engines were available in a 4x4 until last year because they were so low powered. I don't believe that the trannys were modded for more torque because these engines didn't make more torque than a typical 360 of that era.

I would take the engines and build them, add a turbo and have some fun with them.

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« Reply #9 on: January 8, 2005, 01:15:18 PM »

I know of a late 70's Dodge truck with a six cyl diesel that's been sitting in a salvage yard for years.  I looked it over again a few weeks ago and the valve cover had both Dodge and Nissan(I think) cast into it.  The owner won't sell part's off of it.  Should go take a few pic's.....
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I know of a late 70's Dodge truck with a six cyl diesel that's been sitting in a salvage yard for years.  I looked it over again a few weeks ago and the valve cover had both Dodge and Nissan(I think) cast into it.  The owner won't sell part's off of it.  Should go take a few pic's.....


The engine wouldn't be a Nissan, unless someone later dropped one in and the valve cover wouldn't have Dodge anywhere on it. You were much more likely to find a Scout with the Nissan diesel in it, but then again anything is possible, but from the factory? No, Dodge didn't put the Nissan diesel into the Ram trucks.

As I mentioned before in this post, in 78 & 79 Dodge offered a Mitsubishi diesel. Remember, Dodge was selling trucks built by Mitsubishi under the Dodge moniker, the D50 and Dodge Raider were Mitsubishi trucks. At the time Mitsubishi was also building diesels. Dodge tried selling these diesel engines in their fullsize trucks but the option didn't sell very well and was discontinued shortly after.

Yes take a pic, next time you see them

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I know of a late 70's Dodge truck with a six cyl diesel that's been sitting in a salvage yard for years.  I looked it over again a few weeks ago and the valve cover had both Dodge and Nissan(I think) cast into it.  The owner won't sell part's off of it.  Should go take a few pic's.....


Like RXT said, Dodge had Mitsubishi engines.... Diesel IHC Scouts had the Nissan diesels... and some earlier versions had both Chrysler and Nissan on the valvecover (I believe because Chrysler was importing the Nissan diesel for industrial/marine applications, etc)... Anyways, IHC used Chrysler 727 trannies too, and some ended up behind the Nissan engines as well. In close to 30 years, someone could have swapped it in... I've seen pictures of a Nissan Scout engine in a late 60's Chrysler fullsize car, which was kinda weird....
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I know of a late 70's Dodge truck with a six cyl diesel that's been sitting in a salvage yard for years.  I looked it over again a few weeks ago and the valve cover had both Dodge and Nissan(I think) cast into it.  The owner won't sell part's off of it.  Should go take a few pic's.....


Like RXT said, Dodge had Mitsubishi engines.... Diesel IHC Scouts had the Nissan diesels... and some earlier versions had both Chrysler and Nissan on the valvecover (I believe because Chrysler was importing the Nissan diesel for industrial/marine applications, etc)... Anyways, IHC used Chrysler 727 trannies too, and some ended up behind the Nissan engines as well. In close to 30 years, someone could have swapped it in... I've seen pictures of a Nissan Scout engine in a late 60's Chrysler fullsize car, which was kinda weird....


Now that I think about it is may have been Chysler and Nissan on the valve cover and not dodge. I'll go take another look and get a pic to post....  
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2005, 02:45:10 PM »

Are you sure its not a Dodge D50??

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Are you sure its not a Dodge D50??

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Well Mitsu did have a diesel option for the D50, but not in 78-79.

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2005, 10:52:54 AM »

Friend of mine has one of these gems, I'll get some pics this week and post them, fullsize truck, think it's a 78, definitly is a  mitsu diesel. I have several years of auto tranny build sheets but can't find any for 78-79 MY, Most of the pre cummins diesel trannies they made in the 80s were b motor bell pattern. He offered to sell me the truck for 2-300$ but I have plenty of b case trannies so I passed, don't know if the mitsu 727s used that case. They offered them for fuel economy, they were such slugs nobody cared about the mileage, couldn't hardly give em away. Somewhere in the 78-79 80 timeframe congress was even discussing gas rationing program, ever notice a lot of the pickups from 78-81 are sixes.
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2005, 08:56:52 AM »

What years did the diesels run in the D50's??

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I know of a late 70's Dodge truck with a six cyl diesel that's been sitting in a salvage yard for years.  I looked it over again a few weeks ago and the valve cover had both Dodge and Nissan(I think) cast into it.  The owner won't sell part's off of it.  Should go take a few pic's.....


I've seen pictures of a Nissan Scout engine in a late 60's Chrysler fullsize car, which was kinda weird....


That is just wrong!

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What years did the diesels run in the D50's??

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The Ram 50, first got the 2.3L turbodiesel in 1982.

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last mitsu diesel was the 1985 model year
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What years did the diesels run in the D50's??

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The Ram 50, first got the 2.3L turbodiesel in 1982.

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Thankx for the info!  I would like to find one someday.  Just don't want a rot box!  lol

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last mitsu diesel was the 1985 model year


I thought they made them with a diesel till 1986?

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I found a six cylinder Mitsu diesel engine for sale,but there is no tranny.The guy is telling me the same tranny for a Dodge V-8 will bolt on.Is he telling me the truth,or pulling my leg so I buy it.Anyone have any ideas? Huh
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I found a six cylinder Mitsu diesel engine for sale,but there is no tranny.The guy is telling me the same tranny for a Dodge V-8 will bolt on.Is he telling me the truth,or pulling my leg so I buy it.Anyone have any ideas? Huh


My experiance with the Mitsu diesel was short. My suggestion, make a cardboard template of a Dodge tranny and try to match it up to the Mistu diesel.

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Try a search on www.car-part.com for the transmission.

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The Mitsu 6-cyl diesels also were available in full-size Dodge vans in 1978 and 1979. I 've often thought that you could make reliable and decent performance by turbo-charging one. I don't think it would be too difficult either. You are giving up close to 120 CI to the 6BT (B5.9). But I have heard of some astounding HP figures from the 4BT (B3.9).

My uncle put a Nissan-Chrysler diesel in a late 70s or early 80s Aspen wagon. It still runs today, I believe. I remember it got great fuel mileage. He maintains that Chrylser did the research and actually made test mules with these engines, but they never reached the marketplace on a large scale. Due to parts availability largely, and the bad name GM was giving to diesel power with the gas-heritage junk they were producing.
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That nissan-chrysler diesel 6 is the one used in IH scouts, they came NA and turboed.
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I still need to go take pics of that truck with the Nissan-Chrysler diesel in it.......
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Seems strange a Nissan-Chrysler Diesel!  lol

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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2005, 11:01:53 AM »

Propanepower, the 6 cylinder mitsu diesel is like the cummins in that the back of the motor is not wide enough to cover the flywheel or flex plate, so they use a flywheel cover, (many call this an adapter), the adapter or flywheel cover for the mitsu diesel used in the dodge fullsize pickups happens to be the LA motor bell. You could use any 727 la tranny, the only caveat I would add to that would be to use the diesel governor weights, don't know the mitsu shift points but it did use the heavy brass gov weights. Here is pic of mitsu 6 cyl diesel out of dodge.
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I found some more info on the 78-79 Dodge / Mitsubishi diesel engines as well as the Chrysler-Nissan diesels.

Apparently before the Fuso series, Mitsubishi once marketed  trucks under the Jupiter series, which was not sold in America at the time. In 1970 they introduced the new 6DR5 243 cid / 4.0L n/a diesel in the 3.5-ton T44 Jupiter cab-over truck. This is the engine later used by Dodge.
The introduction of the Mitsubishi diesel in the 78/79 Dodge trucks occured partly from the partnership Dodge and Mitsubishi had during the 70s fuel crisis years. The Mitsu-diesel was intended as a fuel economy engine, but at 103hp it really lacked in power, then again it was probably far worse in the 3.5 ton T44 Jupiter.

As for the Chrysler-Nissan diesel, apparently they did exist. Chrysler marine was marketing Nissan diesels which found their way into International's Scout. That engine was known as the Nissan SD33 diesel, the turbo version was the SD33T. They were an I-6 design, displacing 198cid with a HP rating of 98hp n/a and 101hp for the turbo engines.

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your right ed.
they were marketed as an alternative to gas engines for better fuel economy, unlike diesels of today most buy for towing and such.  the mitsu was anything but a tow engine.
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Hey thanks for the info and the pic,Txs.I wish I had one of those to experiement with. Cry
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I wonder how a Mitsu would work with a turbo?

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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2005, 12:37:48 AM »

I remember (in the pre-cummins days) Chrysler talking about converting the 225 slant six to diesel.  As far as I know, that never happened, at least for production

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2005, 02:24:46 AM »

Although it'd be a cool conversation peice (the old original 78-79 diesel trucks) what I really want to do is put a CTD 12V into a PowerWagon.
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2005, 05:25:43 PM »

Did the 78-79 Diesels have any sort of a diesel badge on them?

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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2005, 12:30:23 PM »

I was looking at putting a diesel in my 78 RC.  I was looking at cummins of course but was wondering if one of these early Mitsi models were modified a bit, may be a good match.  I have seen them stock in 4 and 2 wheel drive half tons.  They apparently bolt up to the big block bellhousing.  Does anyone know how much these weigh in comparrison to a cummins 5.9?  I was wondering if the 1/2 ton suspension would be sufficient.  Can't find much information on the engines themselves.  One appears to be a 4.0 6 cylinder. 
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2005, 10:02:15 PM »

I was looking at putting a diesel in my 78 RC.  I was looking at cummins of course but was wondering if one of these early Mitsi models were modified a bit, may be a good match.  I have seen them stock in 4 and 2 wheel drive half tons.  They apparently bolt up to the big block bellhousing.  Does anyone know how much these weigh in comparrison to a cummins 5.9?  I was wondering if the 1/2 ton suspension would be sufficient.  Can't find much information on the engines themselves.  One appears to be a 4.0 6 cylinder. 

The Mitsu diesels were available in the 1/2 ton trucks. As far as modifying one, you'll be on your own. There really isn't a market for these little engines (At least in America) But it should respond well to mods as any diesel should.

The two areas which will make any diesel perform is fuel delivery and air supply. I don't know what kind of fuel delivery pump the engine uses or if it could be turned up or otherwise modded to increase volume, but if theres a way to turn it up, that should help out alot.

Next is injectors. You might be able to use bigger injectors from another engine. That will require alot of cross referencing or it might be possible to regrind the tips to increase volume. You might want to look at all the fuel lines, a larger diameter might help in getting more fuel to the injectors.

The biggest improvement is adding a turbo. You might want to stick to a smaller unit, but if you like living on the edge, you can go with something that puts out alot of psi, but it won't help much if you don't have enough fuel.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2005, 06:03:04 PM »

Did the 78-79 Diesels have any sort of a diesel badge on them?

Does anyone have a pic of the Mitsu Motor?

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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2005, 07:18:36 PM »

I don't recall seeing badges on the trucks.

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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2005, 09:00:34 PM »

there was a decal that said diesel power on the fenders and tailgate.the tailgate decal has a different part # between 78 and 79 so they must have changed something though it read the same
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« Reply #42 on: December 8, 2006, 10:09:44 AM »

Did the 78-79 Diesels have any sort of a diesel badge on them?
Does anyone have a pic of the Mitsu Motor?
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a show truck but is in very nice shape.

Mine has a sticker type badge on the tailgate and I have 2 spares
that were originally on the front side fenders I believe.

Email me at robertcrone2002ATyahoo.com if you'd like a few pics.

With just 100 horsepower and a 3 speed automatic this thing is not
fast and the cab noise level is quite high.  It originally had sound deadener under the hood and on the firewall but this has long since disappeared.

The PO said he'd pulled about 1,000 pounds on a trailer occasionally but the owners manual recommends no towing.

I drove it home over 900 miles of mostly Interstate at 60 mph and it got 20 mpg. It's a decent old machine.

As for how rare it is, the previous owner said from his research he thought only about 1,500 of them had been sold.

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« Reply #44 on: January 4, 2007, 03:45:06 PM »

Like RXT said, Dodge had Mitsubishi engines.... Diesel IHC Scouts had the Nissan diesels... and some earlier versions had both Chrysler and Nissan on the valvecover (I believe because Chrysler was importing the Nissan diesel for industrial/marine applications, etc)... Anyways, IHC used Chrysler 727 trannies too, and some ended up behind the Nissan engines as well. In close to 30 years, someone could have swapped it in... I've seen pictures of a Nissan Scout engine in a late 60's Chrysler fullsize car, which was kinda weird....

I recently picked up a 2wd '86 Ramcharger with Nissan SD33 diesel (originally from Canada and I just returned it up there last night for my son to drive after he fixes it) with 727 and another with a 318 that is 4x4. (fixing that myself)
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« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2007, 09:30:26 PM »

I have always wanted a dodge with a mitsubishi diesel but have had no luck finding one close to me.
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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2007, 09:52:29 PM »

Check ebay cos they show up there every once in a while!

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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2007, 05:32:03 AM »

Just purchased a '79 W200 manual trans in-line 6 Diesel.It appears to have the 435 gearbox and 205 transfer case.Would like to find some kind of a manual.Great place for information.Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2007, 05:35:18 AM »

Check the classified section, or ebay for a manual.  Dodgeboys has a FSM section in the classifieds.
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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2007, 10:14:34 PM »

I just bought an '84 Dodge D-50 with a 2.3 turbo diesel. yes ur all right it has no pulling capability but is a great mudder and at 45 mpg for a 5 spd 4x4 i aint letting her go anytime soon
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